Someone has to say it, so it might as well be me: Windows 8 will be a giant mess

[Exodist]

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I don't want to spend lots of time researching how to make my OS do basic things. I want it to be stable, secure and simple.
I don't want or need a tiny box with my emails scrolling through it, live tiles may be great on a tablet but they are utterly pointless on a desktop.
I don't want random programmes to only work full screen..

I just find it very hard to believe what I just download a few days ago to be the preview of Win8,, even though I d/ld it from MS.. Every time I play around with the preview I get this weird numb feeling in my brain like I have a huge hangover. This just cant be the final preview.. Somewhere there is got to be a huge April Fools joke involved.. This would just be corporate suicide for them.. I just dont see this being final cut. But I could be wrong..

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Well here is the stand point from the company I am employed with from todays discussion on the WinWTF edition. The only thing holding us back from going all out with Fedora gnu/linux is Solidworks program. We have came up with workarounds for everything else, including Quick books. But we are thinking of just keeping some Win7 copies around for it and pushing Fedora with GNOME 3 on all the other desktops. But time will tell over the next few months... :\

We had the same wtf was Microsoft thinking conversation at work after a few of us tried out Windows 8. It's not good when one of your key markets is absolutely positive they want nothing to do with your new product after a few minutes of using it.

 

[WelshBloke]

I just find it very hard to believe what I just download a few days ago to be the preview of Win8,, even though I d/ld it from MS.. Every time I play around with the preview I get this weird numb feeling in my brain like I have a huge hangover. This just cant be the final preview.. Somewhere there is got to be a huge April Fools joke involved.. This would just be corporate suicide for them.. I just dont see this being final cut. But I could be wrong..

I think we are all in the denial phase at the moment. What comes next? Anger? Grief? I can never remember how it goes.

 

[Maximilian]

I think we are all in the denial phase at the moment. What comes next? Anger? Grief? I can never remember how it goes.

Sticking with W7 until this sack of fail passes and W9 comes out thats whats next

 

[dennilfloss]

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

That's especially funny to me, because that's pretty much EXACTLY the same experience most people I've showed this mess to at my office have had. And not older people either, just average Joe and Jane non-tech nerd.

The same confusion, followed quickly by pure laughter like "Really? Are you ****ing kidding me?"

Someone needs to run a serious intervention at Microsoft, and get them off whatever fruity-colored crack they've been smoking. Friends shouldn't let friends become crackheads and then try to design operating systems.

I expect we'll just need to read the manual like we did when we first used Windows 95/98 and spend a couple of hours learning how to use W8.

 

[GrumpyMan]

I love change, as long as I don't have to change a thing, is the normal corporate mantra. Don't see W8 in many companies futures or mine.

 

[Zaap]

I expect we'll just need to read the manual like we did when we first used Windows 95/98 and spend a couple of hours learning how to use W8.

That doesn't fly in 2012. If your consumer OS is so clunky it needs wasted hours of learning, it's a fail from the start.

I didn't need a manual for Windows 95, certainly not 98. After they knew Windows 95, my mother, my wife, or most other non-tech minded people I know didn't really need to completely re-learn 98 or 2000 or XP or 7.

To me, this is kind of like telling someone they need a manual to lean how to use the new spyware that just lodged itself over top of the user interface they are used to. Just spend a few hours learning how to navigate the layer of crap someone else is convinced is the new trendy way of doing the same exact thing you already know how to do a more logical and familiar way. No thanks.

 

[Dominato3r]

I love change, as long as I don't have to change a thing, is the normal corporate mantra. Don't see W8 in many companies futures or mine.

They'll be happy if they can get corporations/businesses off XP and onto 7

There was also a nice case study posted onto MSDN comparing iOS and Windows 8: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh868262.aspx

 

[Zedtom]

n/m

 

[jsedlak]

Aside from using it in a VM with a border and no Windows key passage being completely painful, I don't think it is that bad. The key will be educating users on shortcuts as there is no way to know that you can hit the Windows key and start typing to search. Or hit Win+C to get the charms.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Aside from using it in a VM with a border and no Windows key passage being completely painful, I don't think it is that bad. The key will be educating users on shortcuts as there is no way to know that you can hit the Windows key and start typing to search. Or hit Win+C to get the charms.

It's that bad because for 20+ years people have been doing such things without a keyboard at all.

 

[tweakboy]

Do all drivers and apps work, I wanna upgrade from 7 ,,,, and turn off METRO ,, lol and there is a start menu hack going around,, where it gives u start menu when you click bottom left but its a whole new start menu ,, sorta based on METRO ,, ,, its horrible...

I mean how much stable and security stable does it bring over Win7 ......... nothing,

 

[jsedlak]

It's that bad because for 20+ years people have been doing such things without a keyboard at all.

Because no one has told them differently. And that is not reason enough to keep it the same.

There is a reason the windows key is down there in the bottom left of the keyboard - it's because you can hit it faster than moving your mouse to the start button. It's even faster on multi monitor systems.

 

[jsedlak]

Do all drivers and apps work, I wanna upgrade from 7 ,,,, and turn off METRO ,, lol and there is a start menu hack going around,, where it gives u start menu when you click bottom left but its a whole new start menu ,, sorta based on METRO ,, ,, its horrible...

I mean how much stable and security stable does it bring over Win7 ......... nothing,

I'm pretty sure this wasn't even english.

From a pure engineering perspective, Windows 8 improves on the changes made for Windows 7, which improved on the groundwork done by Windows Vista which was a big context switch from Windows XP.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Because no one has told them differently. And that is not reason enough to keep it the same.

There is a reason the windows key is down there in the bottom left of the keyboard - it's because you can hit it faster than moving your mouse to the start button. It's even faster on multi monitor systems.

It may be faster, but if it was more convenient more people would have been using it already. Having to rely more on the keyboard makes no sense moving forward on a click/tap platform. Neither does removing visual clues (Start menu, close boxes on Metro apps, etc) on where to click/tap.

 

[Exodist]

I think we are all in the denial phase at the moment. What comes next? Anger? Grief? I can never remember how it goes.

LOL, what comes next? Anger, Grief, then LINUX

Not that Win7 is bad, most companies will prob stock up on a handful of corp Win7 license for newer machines and try to avoid 8 like many did with XP till 7 came out. I actually reinstalled Linux back on my system last night, but instead of going back to the sinking ubuntu ship I went with Fedora 16 and so far very impressed. Gnome 3.2 is what MS should have been aiming Windows 8 to be similar to. I think with a small 30 min training session at work I can have all the office personal using Gnome3 like they had been with Windows for years. I dont think 30 days of training on Win8 will fix lack of a proper UI.. :|

 

[gammaray]

LOL, what comes next? Anger, Grief, then LINUX

Not that Win7 is bad, most companies will prob stock up on a handful of corp Win7 license for newer machines and try to avoid 8 like many did with XP till 7 came out. I actually reinstalled Linux back on my system last night, but instead of going back to the sinking ubuntu ship I went with Fedora 16 and so far very impressed. Gnome 3.2 is what MS should have been aiming Windows 8 to be similar to. I think with a small 30 min training session at work I can have all the office personal using Gnome3 like they had been with Windows for years. I dont think 30 days of training on Win8 will fix lack of a proper UI.. :|

i tried fedora 15 and fuck i gave up after 2 days cos whatever i did i ended up with the terminal at some point having to type code lines etc. bs.

Is fedora 16 only mouse clicks like windows 7?