Someone explain to the weather about Global Warming: NE has Record breaking snowstorms.

[LeeTJ]

hehehe.

the biggest problem with trying to prove global warming is the scale of things. on one end earth went thru and ice age. now mb we are at the other end of the spectrum. how can you prove that is something artificial and not just part of the natural cycle?? How can you use data gathered over the last 100 years to prove anything on the bigger scale?

 

[rudder]

its all about averages. Your record snowstorms are can probably be attributed to El Nino, which is a warmer than normal area of the pacific which affects our weather greatly.

 

[bigredguy]

they take core samples of ice dating much farther back then 10.0 years and it has been continuously warming up. With global warming there will be for clouds so that means more snow in winter months.

 

[majewski9]

I dont know but my University is shut down and this is the second time in a week.

 

[B00ne]

well you can at check the composition of air over the last few million (maybe more maybe less) years by examining the ice of Greenland/Antarctica.

Fact is, the level of CO2 has risen tremendously since that can be recorded. Fact is, that CO2 is not good for us. Fact is that I am no Metreologist and actually have no clue

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Global warming my ass.
Try explaining that to Canada.

"Ozone problem, eh? Lemme help you with that."
*pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht*
"Damn, all out. Got anymore aerosol cans?"

- M4H

 

[XZeroII]

Great. Another person who starts the same flaming piece of crud thread.
We have been recording temps for < 100 years. We are looking at a fraction of a second in the grand scheme of things. We have no way of knowing what the trend is, we can only make guesses. According to my meteorology professor, back in the 70's, everyone was afraid of global cooling. Everyone worried about what to do when the glaciers started coming because everything was so cold. Now the story is completely reversed. The fact is that we don't have enough information to decide one way or another.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Great. Another person who starts the same flaming piece of crud thread.
We have been recording temps for < 100 years. We are looking at a fraction of a second in the grand scheme of things. We have no way of knowing what the trend is, we can only make guesses. According to my meteorology professor, back in the 70's, everyone was afraid of global cooling. Everyone worried about what to do when the glaciers started coming because everything was so cold. Now the story is completely reversed. The fact is that we don't have enough information to decide one way or another.

You can't lecture these fanatics with logic. You need to provide something else for them to panick about.........

I agree, we don't have nearly enough knowledge to know what the earth is doing. Does that mean we should continue with the biggest gas drinking vehicles? No. I just don't like all the fanatics that spout some ill designed and operated experiment that supports their fanatical ideas.

Humans did cause the last ice age so why do we think we are so important that we will start the next weather cycle? Mother earth will do whatever she wants with us.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Great. Another person who starts the same flaming piece of crud thread.
We have been recording temps for < 100 years. We are looking at a fraction of a second in the grand scheme of things. We have no way of knowing what the trend is, we can only make guesses. According to my meteorology professor, back in the 70's, everyone was afraid of global cooling. Everyone worried about what to do when the glaciers started coming because everything was so cold. Now the story is completely reversed. The fact is that we don't have enough information to decide one way or another.

WeRd. I don't believe in Global Warming....and if it is, its probably part of the natural turn of things. But, I would like to clean up the air and water a bit more by getting rid of using fossil fuels eventually. But that is going to be a long road...

 

[dullard]

The most knowledgeable scientists when discussion global warming all say we need 10-20 years more data to begin to prove if global warming exists or not. Up till now we see a short uptake of temperatures and think it COULD be warming, but there isn't yet enough data.

That said, global warming should lead to record breaking snowstorms. Higher temps mean there is greater energy and instablity in the atmosphere. Higher temps also mean more water evaporates into the air - so there is more moisture. Now combine the two - more energy and more moisture leads to record breaking snowstorms (and rain, etc).

I myself don't believe that global warming occurs in the way that many people think. Put it this way. Suppose you have a greenhouse that works a bit to heat up the room. Suddenly you light a bonfire inside and note that the temperature rises. Did the room (A) increase in temperature since the bonfire put CO2 into the room which aids the glass in making an efficient greenhouse or (B) increase in temperature since you have a huge fire there producing heat. I think the answer is (B). In the last 100 years the world has built a huge bonfire (think of all the factories, houses with heaters, and cars all buring fuel. All this energy use eventually turns to heat. This heat goes into the atmosphere. The vast amount of heat we produce of course raises the temperature. Duh!

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: dullard
The most knowledgeable scientists when discussion global warming all say we need 10-20 years more data to begin to prove if global warming exists or not. Up till now we see a short uptake of temperatures and think it COULD be warming, but there isn't yet enough data.

That said, global warming should lead to record breaking snowstorms. Higher temps mean there is greater energy and instablity in the atmosphere. Higher temps also mean more water evaporates into the air - so there is more moisture. Now combine the two - more energy and more moisture leads to record breaking snowstorms (and rain, etc).

I myself don't believe that global warming occurs in the way that many people think. Put it this way. Suppose you have a greenhouse that works a bit to heat up the room. Suddenly you light a bonfire inside and note that the temperature rises. Did the room (A) increase in temperature since the bonfire put CO2 into the room which aids the glass in making an efficient greenhouse or (B) increase in temperature since you have a huge fire there producing heat. I think the answer is (B). In the last 100 years the world has built a huge bonfire (think of all the factories, houses with heaters, and cars all buring fuel. All this energy use eventually turns to heat. This heat goes into the atmosphere. The vast amount of heat we produce of course raises the temperature. Duh!

Thank you for explaining that part about increased evaporation. Too many people see only the word warming and assume that if it's cold outside, not warm, it global warming must not be true. It's not called local warming though - that word global is there for a reason.

I think it's a combination of A and B here - that conjectural (is that the right word?) bonfire produces both heat and CO2. Our activities tend to convert matter into energy, increasing the net amount of energy on the planet. They also convert some of that matter into other kinds of matter, like CO2 and other greenhouse gases. These help to prevent energy from radiating into space.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I think it's a combination of A and B here - that conjectural (is that the right word?) bonfire produces both heat and CO2. Our activities tend to convert matter into energy, increasing the net amount of energy on the planet. They also convert some of that matter into other kinds of matter, like CO2 and other greenhouse gases. These help to prevent energy from radiating into space.

I truely don't think there is much evidence that (A) works. Look at NASA for some arguments against it. But like I said there needs to be 10 to 20 years more data to reach any good conclusions.

There is a part (C) as well - but I had to leave before typing it. The official weather data is taken at airports. Most airports are located near cities. Cities are where the bonfires are concentrated - tons of factories, tons of buildings using energy, tons of cars burning fuel, black pavement absorbing heat more than wilderness ground. It has been shown time and time again that as cities grow larger they become hotter than the surroundining areas. You can look at satellite temperature maps that a big city is 2°F to 3°F hotter than the surrounding areas. Cities themselves even produce enough heat to produce rain storms downwind. Look at cloud photos, clouds often seem to come out of no where when the weather models say they shouldn't (until you see that a city is located at that spot). As cities get bigger they get hotter. Well guess what, the official tempertures are taken in airports by or in the cities that are heating up. So are we recording global changes? Or are we recording the commonly known feature that cities are hotter than their surroundings?

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Great. Another person who starts the same flaming piece of crud thread.
We have been recording temps for < 100 years. We are looking at a fraction of a second in the grand scheme of things. We have no way of knowing what the trend is, we can only make guesses. According to my meteorology professor, back in the 70's, everyone was afraid of global cooling. Everyone worried about what to do when the glaciers started coming because everything was so cold. Now the story is completely reversed. The fact is that we don't have enough information to decide one way or another.

WeRd. I don't believe in Global Warming....and if it is, its probably part of the natural turn of things. But, I would like to clean up the air and water a bit more by getting rid of using fossil fuels eventually. But that is going to be a long road...

I agree 100%. I would like to clean up the air and such too, but it's not gonna happen overnight.

 

[Amused]

Don't you understand?

Like UFO fanatics, environmental smoke nuts, and breast implant victims, EVERYTHING, no matter how contradictory, is validation of their paranoia.

Recording breaking cold? GLOBAL WARMING!

Burned your toast this morning? GLOBAL WARMING!

See?

 

[ElFenix]

read a neat article in discover a few month back that said if global warming happens and the artic ice starts to melt there could be so much cold water injected into the north atlantic that it breaks up the gulf stream and makes much of europe and north america colder for decades or longer.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think global warming is being caused by the throbbing of my swance. I'm not a scientist, in fact I really don't understand science at all, but I do know that the real truth can be found listening to Rush Limpbrow and other intelligent conservative radio talk show hosts like him, and who's spew I've memorized like a goat in heat. Remember this. Our way of life in no threat to the planet. The people who threaten the planet are the ones who want to get in the way of unlimited growth via the extraction and unregulated growth of industry whose only reason for being is to make the planet a bit more comfortable for all of us. Scientists, at least the ones who haven't been bought and paid for by the energy industry don't know squat and have all been programmed by liberal professors whose sole purpose is to hate the people who get up in the morning and think only about how to get wealthy. It's outrageous. Global warming is Communism in disguise.

 

[Moonbeam]

Shut up, ELFenix, you traitor.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Great. Another person who starts the same flaming piece of crud thread.
We have been recording temps for < 100 years. We are looking at a fraction of a second in the grand scheme of things. We have no way of knowing what the trend is, we can only make guesses. According to my meteorology professor, back in the 70's, everyone was afraid of global cooling. Everyone worried about what to do when the glaciers started coming because everything was so cold. Now the story is completely reversed. The fact is that we don't have enough information to decide one way or another.

how is it flaming?? you said just the same thing that i tried to say.

chill.

 

[sandorski]

I'll take the word of the scientists on this issue. Way back when, they stated that weather patterns would likely become more erratic and extreme as a result of Global Warming. So far things seem to be playing out as predicted.