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Someone explain NASCAR to me.
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sniperruff
Lifer
WRC is so hardcore...
Zenmervolt
Elite member
Yeah, NASCAR drivers don't have skills. That must be why drivers like Dale Earnhardt won so many IROC races against CART drivers.
ZV
I have no idea, but welcome to ATOT redly :beer:
thedarkwolf
Diamond Member
At slower speed especially after racing when the tires are hot anything they run over sticks to the tires and makes them slick. The swerving knocks that trash off and keeps some heat in the tires. The pace laps at the start of the race gives the cars a chance to warm up before racing.
That's because most of those IROC races were on large superspeedways. And yes, CART drivers ran those too,but not all the time like NASCAR.
Why do NASCAR drivers have other non-Nascar drivers run the road courses for them if they have so much skill????
I get so tired of hearing about Dale this ,Dale that. what about Mario Andretti, he has won in just about whatever car you put him in.
NASCAR is 30 year old technology, a fast pit stop is 15-20 seconds!!! C'mon.
bluehorizon
Senior member
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thedarkwolf
Diamond Member
Nascar drivers DON"T have non-Nascar drivers run the road coarses for them. If they do that then the regular driver wouldn't get any points for the race. Some of the teams run an extra car at the road coarses and put a road racer in it or if for some reason their driver is already missed a race or something and is out of the points race they will sometimes stick a road racer in their car. A fast pit stop is 12 - 13 seconds and considering they use impact wrenches and have 5 lugs per wheel to remove thats pretty damn amazing. In F1 a monkey could work on the pit crew but in Nascar the pit crews are very important.
"NASCAR is 30 year old technology, a fast pit stop is 15-20 seconds!!! "
A fast pit stop in NASCAR is just under 13 seconds. This is a much more impressive feat than a 7 second stop in F1. Many fewer people working on car, heavier wheels and tires, crews have to work on one side of car, then the other, fuel is put in by gravity only, a full stop requires the fueler to switch cans, they are only allowed to use 2 air guns. 20 standard wheel nuts versus 4 quickchange nuts in F1.
As far as technology, the real art of technology is application of science and engineering within the constraints of a given set of circumstances. In racing the circumstances are dictated by the rulebook. The craftsmanship and application of technical skills in NASCAR is every bit as impressive as it is in any other form of motorsports, there is a LOT more going on in the engine compartment, and in chassis design, shock technology, etc., than is typically understood by the casual observer.
As far as oval racing versus road course; this is another case of casual fans not understanding what is actually involved in motor racing. Each kind of racing presents it's own set of challenges, one is not easier or more difficult to master.
One area where there is an actual difference is the area of competition. In F1 all that is required to participate is a lot of money. That won't get you to the podium, but it will get you in the race. That isn't true in NASCAR's top division. At most events there are more teams trying to qualify than there are spots on the grid.
Additionally in F1 there are only a handful of teams with any chance of winning, some years there are only 2 or 3. In NASCAR there are a couple dozen competitors with a decent chance of winning a given event, and as many as a dozen with a real shot at the championship, every year.
Now, I have loved all types of motorsports, for 40 years or so. Different kinds of racing have had their high and low points during that time, but except for times when safety issues have been poorly addressed by different organizing bodies, I've never felt the need to champion one form of racing over another, by insulting the people who like something in particular that isn't my favorite.
A fast pit stop in NASCAR is just under 13 seconds. This is a much more impressive feat than a 7 second stop in F1. Many fewer people working on car, heavier wheels and tires, crews have to work on one side of car, then the other, fuel is put in by gravity only, a full stop requires the fueler to switch cans, they are only allowed to use 2 air guns. 20 standard wheel nuts versus 4 quickchange nuts in F1.
As far as technology, the real art of technology is application of science and engineering within the constraints of a given set of circumstances. In racing the circumstances are dictated by the rulebook. The craftsmanship and application of technical skills in NASCAR is every bit as impressive as it is in any other form of motorsports, there is a LOT more going on in the engine compartment, and in chassis design, shock technology, etc., than is typically understood by the casual observer.
As far as oval racing versus road course; this is another case of casual fans not understanding what is actually involved in motor racing. Each kind of racing presents it's own set of challenges, one is not easier or more difficult to master.
One area where there is an actual difference is the area of competition. In F1 all that is required to participate is a lot of money. That won't get you to the podium, but it will get you in the race. That isn't true in NASCAR's top division. At most events there are more teams trying to qualify than there are spots on the grid.
Additionally in F1 there are only a handful of teams with any chance of winning, some years there are only 2 or 3. In NASCAR there are a couple dozen competitors with a decent chance of winning a given event, and as many as a dozen with a real shot at the championship, every year.
Now, I have loved all types of motorsports, for 40 years or so. Different kinds of racing have had their high and low points during that time, but except for times when safety issues have been poorly addressed by different organizing bodies, I've never felt the need to champion one form of racing over another, by insulting the people who like something in particular that isn't my favorite.
J Heartless Slick
Golden Member
Don't Indy cars go around in circles?
Don't NASCAR have road tracks which have left and right curves?
Don't NASCAR have road tracks which have left and right curves?
SludgeFactory
Platinum Member
Indy Racing League is all ovals and it sucks donkey balls. NASCAR does have 2 road races but that's a tiny percentage of the season.
Champ Car/CART/whatever-they-call-themselves used to be a good mix of road races, street courses, and ovals, too bad they have the worst TV deal in sports.
Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson will be competing in this years Race of Champions - Nations Cup in Paris. There will also be some Formula 1 drivers involved including Michael Schumacher. I guess we will see who the best is.
2002 Canary Islands
Winner Marcus Gronholm
Finalist Sébastien Loeb
Semi-finalists F. Duval - H. Rovanpera
Nations'Cup USA (J.Gordon/J.Johnson/C. Edwards)
Nations'Cup Finalists Italy (R. Travaglia/F. Giovanardi/M.Melandri)
Looks like the NASCAR drivers faired pretty well against the world in 2002.
2002 Canary Islands
Winner Marcus Gronholm
Finalist Sébastien Loeb
Semi-finalists F. Duval - H. Rovanpera
Nations'Cup USA (J.Gordon/J.Johnson/C. Edwards)
Nations'Cup Finalists Italy (R. Travaglia/F. Giovanardi/M.Melandri)
Looks like the NASCAR drivers faired pretty well against the world in 2002.
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