Someone Else's Fault

[Dari]

You tell us, you're the Expert on the subject.

Actually, I don't attack people's intelligence or character nearly as much as Moonbeam. I don't know the people on this forum and take their posts at face value. Moonbeam, on the other hand, has a habit of looking down on others. There's a deep insecurity there somewhere. If I was smug in my convictions, I would still be supporting Obama like I did in 2008...

 

[Moonbeam]

I think what sandorski is trying to tell you, Dari, is that you are the exemplar of what it means to be smug in your conviction.

I simply pointed out why you are smug and how you would react when told. Who needs convictions when you so demonstrably prove what I say is true.

 

[Dari]

I think what sandorski is trying to tell you, Dari, is that you are the exemplar of what it means to be smug in your conviction.

I simply pointed out why you are smug and how you would react when told. Who needs convictions when you so demonstrably prove what I say is true.

Smug includes derisively dismissing the opinions of others without even bothering to argue with reason. You have a tendency to do that. You have been a supporter of Obama even before he announced his candidacy. I've never seen you post a character of criticism about him here. If you are loyal then it's a commendable but seriously flawed trait to have in a politician, especially one that delegates power so frequently. If it's because you see eye-to-eye with this idiot then that is understandable but it makes you both naive on how leadership works. Of course, you wouldn't know anything about that since your politics is at the fringe of American society. But you continue to be smug in your conviction because your ideas have never been tested. Unfortunately, for the world, when one of your candidates finally wins he ends up failing miserably...

 

[Moonbeam]

Dari: Actually, I don't attack people's intelligence or character nearly as much as Moonbeam. I don't know the people on this forum and take their posts at face value. Moonbeam, on the other hand, has a habit of looking down on others. There's a deep insecurity there somewhere. If I was smug in my convictions, I would still be supporting Obama like I did in 2008...

M: D: "I also really believe that Obama is naive. He thinks the world is inherently good. He thinks people play by the rules. He thinks there is order. He believes that everyone is civilized.

But when reality humiliates, slaps, kicks, punches and impales him, he's quick to blame somebody else for his problems. The president should just resign if he doesn't understand what it means to be a leader. Let somebody else take over."

You crack me up?

 

[Moonbeam]

Smug includes derisively dismissing the opinions of others without even bothering to argue with reason. You have a tendency to do that. You have been a supporter of Obama even before he announced his candidacy. I've never seen you post a character of criticism about him here. If you are loyal then it's a commendable but seriously flawed trait to have in a politician, especially one that delegates power so frequently. If it's because you see eye-to-eye with this idiot then that is understandable but it makes you both naive on how leadership works. Of course, you wouldn't know anything about that since your politics is at the fringe of American society. But you continue to be smug in your conviction because your ideas have never been tested. Unfortunately, for the world, when one of your candidates finally wins he ends up failing miserably...

I thought he was your candidate.

 

[Dari]

I thought he was your candidate.

He was. But you and I liked him for different reasons. Of course, I also supported Bush in 2000 and 2004. You liking him before I even knew who he was should've raised a red flag but the alternatives were that bad. It was after he started announcing his economic team in December 2008 led me to start to dislike him. All his choices were too status quo. That was a bad sign, imho...

 

[Dari]

Dari: Actually, I don't attack people's intelligence or character nearly as much as Moonbeam. I don't know the people on this forum and take their posts at face value. Moonbeam, on the other hand, has a habit of looking down on others. There's a deep insecurity there somewhere. If I was smug in my convictions, I would still be supporting Obama like I did in 2008...

M: D: "I also really believe that Obama is naive. He thinks the world is inherently good. He thinks people play by the rules. He thinks there is order. He believes that everyone is civilized.

But when reality humiliates, slaps, kicks, punches and impales him, he's quick to blame somebody else for his problems. The president should just resign if he doesn't understand what it means to be a leader. Let somebody else take over."

You crack me up?

I meant people on this forum. Not public personalities.

 

[Moonbeam]

I like this arguing with reason idea you mentioned above. Let's try it out:

D: I also really believe that Obama is naive.

M: This is an opinion offered with what reasons? That, "He thinks the world is inherently good. He thinks people play by the rules. He thinks there is order. He believes that everyone is civilized."

Have you any reasons to offer that the world isn't good or that Obama believes that it is, or any of the other opinions you suggest he believes? For a person who takes people at face value you sure stuff Obama full of opinions you hold of him. You sound like a raving madman rather than one offering reason, no?

D: "But when reality humiliates, slaps, kicks, punches and impales him, he's quick to blame somebody else for his problems. The president should just resign if he doesn't understand what it means to be a leader. Let somebody else take over."

Ah, such a fine reasoned argument, full of logic, demonstration, and proofs. Magnificently done. Jesus!

D: "But when reality humiliates, slaps, kicks, punches and impales him, he's quick to blame somebody else for his problems. The president should just resign if he doesn't understand what it means to be a leader. Let somebody else take over."

M: Damn if that isn't just filled with the finest reasoned logic. Hehehehehehe

 

[Moonbeam]

I meant people on this forum. Not public personalities.

You're a public personality in my book. And you believe in the most dangerous of lies, that life isn't inherently good. Do you really think I'm going to allow some idiot to spread shit on my beautiful world without kicking it up in his face? Remember, it's you that makes shit out of perfection. I only kick perfection in your face.

 

[Zebo]

Reagan, much like Obama has similar gifts, was in shithouse and his party lost seats in 82 until economy recovered ....he also looked one term.... he blamed Cater too.

it's economy stupid no matter how gifted.

Problem this time is we are about to hit the government bubble and nothing Obama cab do about it - or should I say willing to do about it such as restructuring personnel and governmental debt.

 

[EXman]

Reagan, much like Obama has similar gifts, was in shithouse and his party lost seats in 82 until economy recovered ....he also looked one term.... he blamed Cater too.

it's economy stupid no matter how gifted.

Problem this time is we are about to hit the government bubble and nothing Obama cab do about it - or should I say willing to do about it such as restructuring personnel and governmental debt.

Has to be the worst revisionist history I have ever heard taking facts slanting them and leaving out what he did after that. You need to dig deeper. He said he got a shit sandwich and MOVED FORWARD! He looked forward to what America does well and unleashed the private sector to do what they do and got the hell outta the way. He inspired America to pick itself up by their bootstraps.

Obama is centeralizing his kingdom. Punishing the producers and making things FAIR (bad word in my book it curtails liberty) Obama has learned few lessons from Reagan. If dictating private companies and using micro economic priciples in a macro environment for 4 years we'll be a lot worse off than when that neo-con progressive GWB left us. We're already carrying a Huge Obama Debt shit sandwich with out solving any of GWB's basura.

 

[Dari]

You're a public personality in my book. And you believe in the most dangerous of lies, that life isn't inherently good. Do you really think I'm going to allow some idiot to spread shit on my beautiful world without kicking it up in his face? Remember, it's you that makes shit out of perfection. I only kick perfection in your face.

Well, your problem starts at the source. You have to define 'good' and make it universal. You cannot because the morality of different people are different.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well, your problem starts at the source. You have to define 'good' and make it universal. You cannot because the morality of different people are different.

Aside from the fact that your points support my assertion not yours, that the world is inherently good, when did I acquire such a problem? Life is inherently good. I don't have any problems.

 

[Dari]

Aside from the fact that your points support my assertion not yours, that the world is inherently good, when did I acquire such a problem? Life is inherently good. I don't have any problems.

If you and I agree that people are inherently good but disagree on what constitutes 'good' then it's a non-starter.