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someone bet me $50...

jlee

jlee

Lifer
...that she'd beat me (with my not-quite-stock '91 MR2 turbo) in a drag race (proper 1/4 mile drag strip) with her new 2011 Mini Cooper S. 182bhp FWD.

Any takers? 😛
 
Depends if her car is supercharged or not, I believe there is a dealer installed supercharger option for the S which bumps power into the 250 range. Someone else probably has specifics.
 
Vic Vega said:
Depends if her car is supercharged or not, I believe there is a dealer installed supercharger option for the S which bumps power into the 250 range. Someone else probably has specifics.
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It's an S, which is turbocharged from the factory. She claims 182hp, but what I can find shows 172hp/177lb-ft (92lb-ft with the overboost function).

Here's my car (on a bad day), if you're not familiar...
 
Maybe I'm thinking of an older model then. I thought there was a dealer installed supercharger to replace the factory turbo at some point. Then again I've been grilling and drinking beer all day so I could be completely wrong. 🙂

Either way somehow I doubt the mini is going to be running mid 13s... somehow I envision it as a low 15 second car, maybe high 14s but that's pushing it... again, I could be wrong. 🙂
 
jlee said:
...that she'd beat me (with my not-quite-stock '91 MR2 turbo) in a drag race (proper 1/4 mile drag strip) with her new 2011 Mini Cooper S. 182bhp FWD.

Any takers? 😛
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you sure she'd just not hoping to get you as far away as quickly as possible 🙂

No race is won until it's raced.
 
Vic Vega said:
Maybe I'm thinking of an older model then. I thought there was a dealer installed supercharger to replace the factory turbo at some point. Then again I've been grilling and drinking beer all day so I could be completely wrong. 🙂

Either way somehow I doubt the mini is going to be running mid 13s... somehow I envision it as a low 15 second car, maybe high 14s but that's pushing it... again, I could be wrong. 🙂
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Previous gen mini's (I think model code r55) had superchargers and there was a John Cooper works model that boosted up in the 200's. I think it was offered in the states (although I believe the most powerful was in England), but it was quite expensive and I suspect not many were sold in such configurations. Mini's seem to have trouble putting down more than 200hp effectively.
 
HarryLui said:
It's a she, what did you expect she knows? Shape of the car and color, that's it.
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jlee said:
It's an S, which is turbocharged from the factory. She claims 182hp, but what I can find shows 172hp/177lb-ft (92lb-ft with the overboost function).

Here's my car (on a bad day), if you're not familiar...
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So what will your car run...? Average 1/4 mile...? This might provide some insight...?
 
coxmaster said:
IIRC a Mini-S is high 14's to low 15's

You should definitely take that bet!
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You're exactly right. From what I've read, a stock S is mid-15's and a JCW is mid/high 14's.

alkemyst said:
you sure she'd just not hoping to get you as far away as quickly as possible 🙂

No race is won until it's raced.
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Hah I am good at that already...we are not exactly "close friends" and never will be.

You're absolutely right, it's not won until it's raced. I'll be sure to post video.

Bartman39 said:
So what will your car run...? Average 1/4 mile...? This might provide some insight...?
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I don't know what mine will run. Last time I went (with a stiff transmission and shitty tires), I pulled a 13.65. Trans is now nice and slick and my tires are decent. I'd like to see a 13.2, but I really have no idea. If I got off my ass and installed my extra stuff (TD06 20G, 38mm Tial wastegate, etc), I'd be well into the 12's.
 
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jlee said:
I don't know what mine will run. Last time I went (with a stiff transmission and shitty tires), I pulled a 13.65. Trans is now nice and slick and my tires are decent. I'd like to see a 13.2, but I really have no idea. If I got off my ass and installed my extra stuff (TD06 20G, 38mm Tial wastegate, etc), I'd be well into the 12's.
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you turned a 13.65 stock on shitty tires?

I think these cars were around 14.5-15.0 stock.
 
Most trucks that race are called "flying bricks"...

You would have to call mine a "flying concrete block" 😛
 
FF Fail. With GREAT tires and a GREAT launch and 1-2 shift, with proper feathering and keeping out of the bog, that Mini isn't going to keep up with anything but a totally botched launch and missed shifts from even a lightly modded MR-2 Turbo of that gen.

People forget when paper racing FF cars that there's a lot more than just mashing pedals, to get the numbers you really have to learn the car. It only gets harder with more power, I tested a Neon SRT-4 and it was difficult to not get excessive wheelspin from the stock tires, and the 1-2 shift was similar, couldn't do it full bore without boiling the tires and losing acceleration.

^^ I doubt she'll be capable of much more than low 15s, and that's being generous.
 
sdifox said:
It's not just the car, it's the driver :biggrin:
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Yeah in this case it's no joke at all. Launch with a fraction less than ideal power and you bog a bit, costing precious time before the revs build enough to really get into the powerband. Launch with a fraction more than ideal power and you get wheelspin/wheel hop, which again hurts your time. Shift at full-power at the top of 1st into 2nd can be problematic as well.
 
I just need to remember to be careful on the launch so I don't red-light and blow the whole thing. 😱 I figure I'll do a decent launch from about 4k, maybe 5k if the track is sticky (last time it wasn't..or my tires were just that bad) and just drive. 😛

I'm not making enough power myself to cause traction problems in first gear, let alone second. I can get some wheelspin launching in first, but I can usually get it to hook up pretty quickly. Second hooks up no problem. Once the bigger turbo goes in, I'll have to re-learn how to launch it.

exdeath said:
That's not your car, your car is orange!

BUSTED!
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OH NOES! 😱
 
jlee said:
I just need to remember to be careful on the launch so I don't red-light and blow the whole thing. 😱 I figure I'll do a decent launch from about 4k, maybe 5k if the track is sticky (last time it wasn't..or my tires were just that bad) and just drive. 😛

I'm not making enough power myself to cause traction problems in first gear, let alone second. I can get some wheelspin launching in first, but I can usually get it to hook up pretty quickly. Second hooks up no problem. Once the bigger turbo goes in, I'll have to re-learn how to launch it.



OH NOES! 😱
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Yeah RWD is much easier to launch than FWD, particularly when you consider that when you start moving forward, weight shifts to the rear wheels a bit 😛 Tight suspension helps FF, but nothing can totally fix that problem. So you end up with :

BOG <.............> / sweet<..> spot / <.........> wheelspin/hop
 
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