Somebody really needs to find this guy!

[DaShen]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/09/11/zarqawi.message/index.html

:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

And there is the attacks in Iraq where 151+ people have been killed. It was claimed by Al-Queda, too.

**EDIT**

To the P&Ners

G2H, you losers! :| Why can't someone post something without you losers flaming and ranting on? Jeez, STFU, noone wants to here your stupid opinions which make no logical sense at all. Die you bastards. You guys think you are hyperintelligent, but I guarantee the way you guys "discuss" your politics make you seem juvenille and ignorant.

I posted on someone saying that a natural disaster that killed a lot of people was an answer to prayers. Can't you guys just agree that that is a messed up thing to say, or are you too stupid and stubborn to even agree with that.

 

[AdamSnow]

Nuke + Middle East = WIN

 

[remagavon]

There is no absolute right, or wrong with any of this. The bad thing is that we can't reason with them because they don't want anything except vengence, and they aren't centralized so we can't deal with them politically. This should also probably be in P&N.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: remagavon
There is no absolute right, or wrong with any of this. The bad thing is that we can't reason with them because they don't want anything except vengence, and they aren't centralized so we can't deal with them politically. This should also probably be in P&N.

I understand that. I am not saying that the U.S. is right, but how can they be so heartless and cold to innocent people. I actually understand where they are coming from with all the "involvement" in foreign affairs that the U.S. does. But in the end, I don't care what they say about being a citizen of this "corrupt" country makes us guilty, that is crap. Ghandi was a great leader who enforced change in a different way. It took a lot more sacrifice on his part and lead to more change. People who do the opposite, like Al-Queda, are just bullies and cowards who didn't get their way.

And yes this should be in P&N, but I am just ranting.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: DaShen
:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: DaShen
:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

Why is this not locked?


Sympathizers :|

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: DaShen
:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

<sigh> whatever, man. Just read the news article. I voted for Kerry BTW. I never voted for Bush, Jr., but people like that are cold sadistic bastards. No matter how you spin it.

We should have never gone into Iraq anyways. I said that from the beginning.

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: remagavon
There is no absolute right, or wrong with any of this. The bad thing is that we can't reason with them because they don't want anything except vengence, and they aren't centralized so we can't deal with them politically. This should also probably be in P&N.

I understand that. I am not saying that the U.S. is right, but how can they be so heartless and cold to innocent people. I actually understand where they are coming from with all the "involvement" in foreign affairs that the U.S. does. But in the end, I don't care what they say about being a citizen of this "corrupt" country makes us guilty, that is crap. Ghandi was a great leader who enforced change in a different way. It took a lot more sacrifice on his part and lead to more change. People who do the opposite, like Al-Queda, are just bullies and cowards who didn't get their way.

And yes this should be in P&N, but I am just ranting.

As they see it, there are no innocent Americans.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: KC5AV

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: remagavon
There is no absolute right, or wrong with any of this. The bad thing is that we can't reason with them because they don't want anything except vengence, and they aren't centralized so we can't deal with them politically. This should also probably be in P&N.

I understand that. I am not saying that the U.S. is right, but how can they be so heartless and cold to innocent people. I actually understand where they are coming from with all the "involvement" in foreign affairs that the U.S. does. But in the end, I don't care what they say about being a citizen of this "corrupt" country makes us guilty, that is crap. Ghandi was a great leader who enforced change in a different way. It took a lot more sacrifice on his part and lead to more change. People who do the opposite, like Al-Queda, are just bullies and cowards who didn't get their way.

And yes this should be in P&N, but I am just ranting.

As they see it, there are no innocent Americans.

Just like there wasn't any innocent British during the Imperialist age, but Ghandi actually did something proactive about it.

 

[Mucho]

Originally posted by: DaShen
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/09/11/zarqawi.message/index.html

:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

And there is the attacks in Iraq where 151+ people have been killed. It was claimed by Al-Queda, too.

So what are you saying its brave and noble to drop bombs from 30,000 feet but cowardly and sadistic to blowup cars?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Mucho

Originally posted by: DaShen
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/09/11/zarqawi.message/index.html

:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

And there is the attacks in Iraq where 151+ people have been killed. It was claimed by Al-Queda, too.

So what are you saying its brave and noble to drop bombs from 30,000 feet but cowardly and sadistic to blowup cars?

Not at all. ... Read my posts if you really want to see how I feel instead of flaming. I give up. I hope you P&Ns have fun. G-d

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Nuke + Middle East = WIN

Terrorists are evil! Terrorists kill innocent civilians! WE MUST KILL EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO PUT AND END TO THEM!

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Mucho

Originally posted by: DaShen
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/09/11/zarqawi.message/index.html

:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

And there is the attacks in Iraq where 151+ people have been killed. It was claimed by Al-Queda, too.

So what are you saying its brave and noble to drop bombs from 30,000 feet but cowardly and sadistic to blowup cars?

Not at all. ... Read my posts if you really want to see how I feel instead of flaming. I give up. I hope you P&Ns have fun. G-d

Speaking of which, why didn't you post in P&N? You should know that this subject belongs there.

 

[ironcrotch]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Mucho

Originally posted by: DaShen
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/09/11/zarqawi.message/index.html

:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

And there is the attacks in Iraq where 151+ people have been killed. It was claimed by Al-Queda, too.

So what are you saying its brave and noble to drop bombs from 30,000 feet but cowardly and sadistic to blowup cars?

Not at all. ... Read my posts if you really want to see how I feel instead of flaming. I give up. I hope you P&Ns have fun. G-d

Speaking of which, why didn't you post in P&N? You should know that this subject belongs there.

Because he didn't expect for the terrorist sympathizers to come out of the wood work in OT...

 

[remagavon]

The problem is there is nobody on the planet that could have the effect of Ghandi, unless maybe the Pope did something similar. He's the only figure that I think could possibly get enough people moving to do something for peace. Like that'll happen.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Nuke + Middle East = WIN

Originally posted by: DaShen
Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

 

[MrWizzard]

Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

How many innocent's died under Saddam?

Everyone wants a war with no Civilian casualties. It's going to happen it's horrible yes but look at what Saddam was doing, gassing people, putting them into chipper shredders.

How many innocents are dead because of al Qaeda, how many "innocents" die in our country a year because of crime.....

yep the world is jacked up


EDIT: FYI Murders in the USA from what I have found in 2003 =16,503

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: DaShen
:| People who say that these people are just misunderstood are idiots. Only sadistic hate-filled bastards resort to violence against innocent people to get their way, even if they think their cause is right.

Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

Last I checked, Bushdid not belong to any terrorist organisation and did not kill any civillians. But you already knew that :roll:

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: remagavon
The problem is there is nobody on the planet that could have the effect of Ghandi, unless maybe the Pope did something similar. He's the only figure that I think could possibly get enough people moving to do something for peace. Like that'll happen.

That isn't true. I believe anyone who is willing to go to such lengths for what they believe can institute change. You just ahve to be willing to lose it all, just like Ghandi. Although he was really too trusting in the power of the human spirit. He should have been more forceful when India was being developed. It is sad with the unrest in Pakistan and India.

 

[virtueixi]

$25 million dollars, wow!

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Nuke + Middle East = WIN

forget the nuke, go for the NEUTRON BOMB biatch !

 

[jpeyton]

Don't worry, the insurgency is in it's "last throes". It should be defeated any day now, and we can have another victory parade before Thanksgiving.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

Surely not as many as Hussein was single-handedly responsible for.

Take off your partisan blinders, set down the talking points, and think.

 

[J0hnny]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Sounds like President Bush. How many innocent Iraqi's are dead because of him?

Surely not as many as Hussein was single-handedly responsible for.

Take off your partisan blinders, set down the talking points, and think.

None-the-less, our boys are dying for nothing!

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: remagavon
The problem is there is nobody on the planet that could have the effect of Ghandi, unless maybe the Pope did something similar. He's the only figure that I think could possibly get enough people moving to do something for peace. Like that'll happen.

That isn't true. I believe anyone who is willing to go to such lengths for what they believe can institute change. You just ahve to be willing to lose it all, just like Ghandi. Although he was really too trusting in the power of the human spirit. He should have been more forceful when India was being developed. It is sad with the unrest in Pakistan and India.

Sorry I am quoting myself, but I wanted to add that the main difference between Ghandi and the leading "terrorists" is not passive aggression versus violence. I believe it is strength of will, although non-voilence is a close sencond (but I believe they are inherently tied). None of the main terrorist leaders are willing to die for their cause. None of them have put themselves in harms way. Maybe during '86 bin Laden did, but he also had many people protecting him as well during that time (he was rich and funding the efforts BTW). Ghandi was willing and able to go to any length to institute change, including sacrificing his own well being for the sake of his cause, the "terrorists" are only willing to sacrifice others.

I honestly think that if bin Laden came out in the open. As in turning himself in and stating why he believes the U.S. is wrong before the U.S. inflicted punishment, more people would listen, and change would happen (just like in Ghandi's case). He states his beliefs behind a camera. That doesn't say anything on how strongly he believes in his own convictions. It only says that he is powerful and willing to sacrifice others for his belief.

**EDIT**
They send "brainwashed" followers to do the sacrificing for them.