Somebody please tell me how anyone could think that Gore (Dems) are not stealing this election

[creedog]

Please, I am, at this point, so outraged that I can barely stand it. And to top it of, there are people that will deny the fact that gore and his supporters are stealing this election out right.

1)How can it be justified only to recount ballots in areas that Democrats think they should have gotten more votes.



2)How can under/over ballots in those counties that Gore counties be recounted and those in Bush counties be forgotted. I
heard on talk radio that one county (I forget the name) which is primarily pro Bush had over 10,000 under/over ballots and these are not being counted.


I personally hate both bush and gore, so I have bias. But this is crazy, and I will do my best after Gore is finally declared the winner to not let this election farce be forgoten. I hope that others who feel the same way will do the same.

Disgusting, to say the least

 

[bigvince]

so it's disgusting and you admint that gore is stealing the election but you still wan him to be president? hoe does that make any sense?.....are you a chinese national?

 

[Wangel]

Good points, but having been a Bush supporter for the last 6 months, and having voted for Bush, I now feel that Gore would make a much better president. Do I want a 'nice guy' in the white house for president? Or do I want an A$$ HOLE. I'll take the A$$ HOLE! He will deal sneakily whine at all the foreign countries to get his way. This country deserves Al Gore, and now I am sorry that I didn't vote for him. I think we should re-count all the ballets, but just in the democratic sections.

 

[StageLeft]

Its all such a joke, really if you can't enter things on a ballot properly you should willingly give up your right to vote and submit yourself to a brain implant clinic.

 

[creedog]

Bigvince, please show me where I say that I want gore to be president?
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Maybe it was a sublibable message

 

[Michael]

creedog

1) The Republicans had the opportunity to ask for manual recounts in the counties where they are strong as well. It was their choice not to request it.

2) See point1). Also, if you look into the undervotes in the Republican areas, they tend to be in subsections where the vote was more heavily Democrat.

Also, many of the Republican Counties used optical scanners to count votes so there was a much lower reject rate and accuracy was much higher.

The questions to ask are:

1) Why were there so many "extra" Gore votes the second time through? Note - this goes both ways, were they supressed the first time or were they "found" the second time?

2) Why did the Florida Supreme Court make the decision they did over the few, Democrat Counties that were being handcounted? Does the Court have authority here?

3) Why is it allowable for the Counties to flip flop on even doing a count and on the methods used to do a count?

I personally think nothing has been stolen.

Michael

 

[DefRef]

Bush didn't ask for recounts in his counties because he won those already! Gore isn't looking for votes in close counties. He's going to areas where he won by a 2-1 margin and is having the local Party hacks fake up some votes to steal the election.

If you think that is Bush's tough luck that he didn't recount the counties he WON for more votes, doesn't that mean you believe that Gore is only scrounging for votes for himself and not truly interested in a "full and accurate count"?

 

[Michael]

I believe that Gore simply used a long-standing write in Florida law to request a recount. He requested recounts in Counties where they were using punchcard ballots that are well known to have potential for undercounts. He was even losing the total vote count for Florida at that point, so the "loser can call for recounts" theory supports him there.

I equate stealing with doing something illegal. I see nothing illegal in Gore asking for the recounts.

I am not saying that I do not have serious issues with the way the recounts are being done and the Florida Supreme Court ruling, I just find it impossible to say that he "stole" the election in the literal sense. If you use it in a more expansive sense, then he may "steal" the election from Bush who was considered a favourite to win.

Note - Bush and Cheny (Cheny came to my town in California) campaigned in a few states where they had no real chance of winning while GOre/Lieberman concentrated on the battleground states and Florida in particular. I have read many a story on the massive "get out the vote" efforts that the Democrats used in Florida. Maybe they just outsmarted and outworked Bush's team going down the home stretch?

Michael

 

[Harvey]

creedog -- I agree with you that I don't like either Bush or Gore. While I don't trust Gore to try to do what he says he would, I dislike Bush more, because I disagree with everything he says he would do, assuming he could do anything with the divided Congress he would get.

Getting back to the Florida decision, I presume that somewhere along the way, you, and everyone else who is pissing and moaning about it, lost the ability to read the English language, or that you have otherwise chosen to ignore the published opinion of the Florida Supreme Court. There is no other reason you would not understand that they cited over one hundred years of precedent, as well as recent cases, in their opinion that protection op the voice of each voter is the paramount and controlling interest.

You can be as outraged as you want. If you can't stand it, sit down.

 

[creedog]

Harvey, it would seem that they are only looking to count the voice of the Gore supporters. the opinion of the courts, to go haed with the recount does not make the descision fair


Michael, it is of my opinion, and many others that the Bush campaign has not taken all the nessessary steps and actions in maintaining their lead in florida.

The simple fact is that the election if florida is way to close, and considering that there is a margin of error equal to the percentage difference between Gore and Bush, it seems reasonable that either candidate, if behind, could go out looking for enough votes to put them over the top. That's exactly what Gore is doing, and who blames him.

Is that right, no not really. No one will ever really no who really won in Florida unless they recount all the votes. And even then, if it comes down to the wire, no one will ever know the true intent of the people, because some people could not figure out how to vote.

Anyway, the fact that there are now people counting ballots by hand that were never intended to be counted by hand, and they are making decsionions reguarding the intent of a voter by looking and their ballot, is outrageous. Someone tell me how this is at all fair and unbiased.

 

[Moonbeam]

LOL at creedog's sublibable message.

The law isn't necessarily fair. It just tries to be. Bush threw out his cnance for a fairer recount of the whole state twice. Once by not filing within 72hrs. and once before the supreme court. The recount in Demo aresa isn't fair, but it's legal and the only legally fair option according to the court. It was also obvious to most that the court would rule that way from the legal strengths of both sides. You just gotta count as many legally valid votes as can be legally recounted and found. That's the will of the people who legally get a chance to be heard. Don't forget that there were many ballots that were cast for bucannon by mistake. Had that not happened Gore would have won the first time round. But those votes have not been judged legal. Not fair, but what can you do?

 

[Russ]

<< or that you have otherwise chosen to ignore the published opinion of the Florida Supreme Court >>



I did read it, and the decision was wrong. It violates at least two provisions of the US Constitution and would NOT withstand a challenge at that level. Read Article 6, and the 14th Amendment.

The Florida Supreme Court may think they are the cat's meow, but if it goes to the REAL Supreme Court, they'll have their asses handed to them on a platter.

Russ, NCNE

 

[fdiskboy]

I can't believe someone is still talking about mistaken Buchannon voters. When in fact, statistically, (since everyone compared Palm Beach county with other counties with respect to Reform Party votes), when you compare the OTHER candidates portion of votes, GORE got more votes than he should have and Bush got fewer. So, who got screwed?

You use faulty logic, you come up with faulty conclusions.

 

[bigvince]

creedog,



<< and I will do my best after Gore is finally declared the winner to not let this election farce be forgoten. I hope that others who feel the same way will do the same. >>





how about that.....

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess Bucannon is a liar than too. He said that those weren't his votes. A statistical analysis was done showing the number of votes Pat got per reform party regestered voter. There was a straight line corolation for all counties except where the butterfly flapped it's wings. There, the chance that Bucannon got that many votes was a trillion to one. That's the story I heard.