Somebody forgot that coins have TWO sides.

[Viper1j]

Maybe it was SCOTUS.

Anyway, when you open a can of worms, you always need a larger can to get them all back in.

Satanic Temple hosts 'After School Satan Club' at Pennsylvania school

Pennsylvania school district officials are allowing the Satanic Temple to host a back-to-school event for the After School Satan Club at a local high school.

www.foxnews.com

Satanic Temple hosts 'After School Satan Club' at Pennsylvania school
A Pennsylvania resident said that the After School Satan Club is a 'crazy' idea

Officials at a Pennsylvania school district are allowing the Satanic Temple to host a back-to-school event at a high school.

Administrators with the Northern York County School District are allowing the Satanic Temple to host the event at Northern High School in Dillsburg, Pennsylvania. The event is a back-to-school night for the After School Satan Club, according to FOX 43.

The group tried to establish an After School Satan Club at a school within the district in April, but its efforts were denied by the school board at the time, according to the report.

Parents and community members were livid about the proposed group's attempt to enter the school district.

Jennifer McAllister, a resident of Perry County, said in April that the idea is "crazy."

"They already took God out of schools now they're going to let Satan in, it's just crazy," McAllister said.

Lucien Graves, the co-founder of the Satanic Temple, said that the group is seeking "other religious representation."

"We don’t decry or begrudge anybody having a prayer event or anything like that," said Greaves. "It does become a problem, a serious problem, when you allow a back-to-school prayer event, but you don’t allow any other religious representation."

He added that parents should look at the event from a First Amendment point of view.

"We’re talking about upholding fundamental pillars of democracy and the First Amendment," he said.

The event is being held just days after a prayer night that is being hosted by Dillsburg Community Worship and Prayer.

The Northern York County School District told the news outlet that it doesn't endorse the activity of outside groups, but says that it allows organizations to rent facilities.



The Satanic Temple has attempted to establish After School Satan Clubs at schools around the country that have an operating religious club on-campus.

In May, the Satanic Temple attempted to establish a presence at Guilford County Schools in North Carolina, sparking outrage among parents, who gathered to protest the move.

"Kind of a rallying thing to say ‘we here in Greensboro does not want this in our schools,'" Tempe Moore, the organizer of the protest said. "This is not a time for good men to do nothing. It’s a time to let our voices be heard."

A website for the "After School Satan Club" states that the group meets at "select" public schools where "Good News Clubs and other religious clubs meet," and states that the clubs are established at the request of community members who "would like to see the program offered."

The club says that it's "not interested in converting children to Satanism."

"Trained educators provide activities and learning opportunities, which students are free to engage in, or they may opt to explore other interests that may be aided by available resources. The environment is open and parents/guardians are welcome to participate," their website states.

 

[Paratus]

I appreciate what they are trying to do. It’s not just “your religion” that’s going to get special treatment at the school.

 

[cytg111]

actually coins have three sides

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

For every one of these satanic or whatever events there will be a million Christian events. I'm sure they consider that a win.

 

[Sunburn74]

I applaud this group for taking a stand.

 

[nakedfrog]

"Kind of a rallying thing to say ‘we here in Greensboro does not want this in our schools,'" Tempe Moore, the organizer of the protest said. "This is not a time for good men to do nothing. It’s a time to let our voices be heard."

This is not a time for good men to do nothing, you say?

Choosing your battles, I guess.

 

[Moonbeam]

Once you have been taught you are only valuable if you are good and worthless if you are bad, you can control people’s behavior. You can creat the experience of suppression of natural emotions which is the experience of fear by telling them what is good and and what is evil and remind them what will happen if they cross the line.

in this way you wind up with a population that only does what it is told is the good, not out of moral commitment but out of fear. The result is mass psychosis of differing forms.

 

[Juiblex]

As a Christian, I'm ok with a Satanic Club.

If the idiots want to parade around, let them.

Like these things. In my opinion, it will just bring OTHERS closer to the truth.

 

[conehead433]

For the record coins actually have three sides.

 

[cytg111]

For the record coins actually have three sides.

*LIES*

 

[soundforbjt]

As a Christian, I'm ok with a Satanic Club.

If the idiots want to parade around, let them.

Like these things. In my opinion, it will just bring OTHERS closer to the truth.

You look like a fun couple...😉

 

[brycejones]

As a Christian has no clue what Jesus actually said, I'm ok with a Satanic Club.

If the idiots want to parade around, let them.

Like these things. In my opinion, it will just bring OTHERS closer to the truth.

Corrected for honesty.

 

[Viper1j]

Should there be a line that can't be crossed?

What if a kid wants a Druid Worship Club?

Or Wiccan/Witchcraft Worship Club?

 

[IronWing]

Should there be a line that can't be crossed?

What if a kid wants a Druid Worship Club?

Or Wiccan/Witchcraft Worship Club?

As always, the line is crossed when the rights of others are trampled. I don't see that here. A Druid Club could be fun. I never could figure out what makes a Wiccan a Wiccan other than self-identity.

 

[MtnMan]

As a Christian, I'm ok with a Satanic Club.

If the idiots want to parade around, let them.

Like these things. In my opinion, it will just bring OTHERS closer to the truth.

Do you know what a christian and satanic worshiper have in common?

No, of course you don't have a fucking clue.

For your edification, it's the fact they both believe characters from a fairy tale are real.

 

[Moonbeam]

Do you know what a christian and satanic worshiper have in common?

No, of course you don't have a fucking clue.

For your edification, it's the fact they both believe characters from a fairy tale are real.

Might I suggest they have a lot in common with you. What they seem to have in common is belief and you believe what they believe is a fairy tale and you believe that with all the same fervor that they do or possibly even more in the case of Satanists whom I would bet also are in the majority mostly in it for the shock value rather than as a matter of faith. So why is it that you are critical of people who believe just like you do, without really knowing anything?

 

[MtnMan]

Might I suggest they have a lot in common with you. What they seem to have in common is belief and you believe what they believe is a fairy tale and you believe that with all the same fervor that they do or possibly even more in the case of Satanists whom I would bet also are in the majority mostly in it for the shock value rather than as a matter of faith. So why is it that you are critical of people who believe just like you do, without really knowing anything?

Tell me you believe in imaginary beings without actually saying so...

 

[cytg111]

Tell me you believe in imaginary beings without actually saying so...

Miyagi wisdom: Best way to avoid punch… No Be There!

 

[Moonbeam]

Tell me you believe in imaginary beings without actually saying so...

My question came first. Why is it that you are critical of people who believe just like you do, without really knowing anything?

You could say you are not critical which you clearly are. You could prove scientifically that the impulse behind religious belief including your own has its origin only in fairy tales. You could prove you and they know something. You could deny that what you believe but what others believe isn't a belief but a fact and then prove it.

But you can't do any of those things so you attempt the typical pigeon hole strategy. If I can just get Moonbeam into a Religious Believer Box we can put him on the shelf with all the other delusionals and laugh. But you seem to have put yourself in your own box, a 'Believer Critical of the Beliefs of Others' Box without the slightest awareness of that fact.

 

[MtnMan]

My question came first. Why is it that you are critical of people who believe just like you do, without really knowing anything?

You could say you are not critical which you clearly are. You could prove scientifically that the impulse behind religious belief including your own has its origin only in fairy tales. You could prove you and they know something. You could deny that what you believe but what others believe isn't a belief but a fact and then prove it.

But you can't do any of those things so you attempt the typical pigeon hole strategy. If I can just get Moonbeam into a Religious Believer Box we can put him on the shelf with all the other delusionals and laugh. But you seem to have put yourself in your own box, a 'Believer Critical of the Beliefs of Others' Box without the slightest awareness of that fact.

I am critical of those unwilling or incapable of questioning their views in a tsunami of evidence they conveniently ignore.

But curious, please show me where I said I was not critical.

You put yourself in the box, but laugh is not the correct feeling, it's pity.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am critical of those unwilling or incapable of questioning their views in a tsunami of evidence they conveniently ignore.

But curious, please show me where I said I was not critical.

You put yourself in the box, but laugh is not the correct feeling, it's pity.

A Satanic Temple hosts an after school Satanic Club event prompting Christians who can now hold such events regularly to manifest indignation. The OP describes this phenomenon of a loosening of past laws that limit religious events on a school campus as having opened a can of worms that may now make a reversal of such a violation of the traditional separation of secular education from religious belief like getting the worms back in the cam.

To the delight of a number of other forum members who revel in the hypocrisy of Christiansthey echo that sentiment and along comes a professed Christian poster who says that he doesn’t give a shit.

Some new way must now be found by the anti-religion bigots to put him down. You suggested that his particular form of blindness is that, like the Satanist whose profession of belief he suggested only makes the fact they are fools obvious, you equate his belief with theirs by tying it to believing in fairy tales thus tagging him as a similar fool.

At that point I suggested you might be describing yourself as a food if your diagnosis is accurate because what all the positions thus far taken are based merely on belief. So I asked you to substantiate your statement as resting on something solid, provable and real, suggesting, also you would not be able too, because you are just as full of certainty in what amounts to only your unexamined and unprovable opinion.

You then, of course, immediately deflected in the manner I described so I asked you once again to answer my question, this time providing you with what you would need to prove to validate your position. That went right over your head because your certainty makes you bling to the flaws in your reasoning.

if I ask you why you are critical of people of people who believe just like you do, simply believe what they believe without proof of anything, and want to challenge that statement, one way to do so would be to deny that you are critical of them in the first place. If you were not critical of them, if you did not hold their ignorance in contempt, I would have pegged you wrong, but, as I had already suggested and you have now confirmed, you are critical of them. So that argument will not work.

I then offered you three other arguments that if you could prove would defeat my conclusion.

So I did not say you are not critical. I said you are and you agree, so that won’t deny you are just as I said, critical of people who believe but can’t prove the truth of what they believe.

so I am still waiting for your proof. I have made the claim only that like them you completely ignore the fact that all you have is opinion devoid of proof. Your proof is simply the same proof offered by any bigot religious or otherwise.

Proving that religion is a fairy tale would be a good place to start.
Try not posting anything but that 9 out of 10 dentists agree with your opinion. Good luck.

 

[Zorba]

Should there be a line that can't be crossed?

What if a kid wants a Druid Worship Club?

Or Wiccan/Witchcraft Worship Club?

How is Wiccan any worse than Christianity? So kids want to cast some spells, who cares? It's all make believe.

 

[Viper1j]

How is Wiccan any worse than Christianity? So kids want to cast some spells, who cares? It's all make believe.

Well, there is a considerable body of anecdotal evidence that indicates that Makumba (voodoo) might be a real thing.

Do you think you it could be a liability issue in a school setting? Instead of a school shooting, some kid spreads some chicken bones, smokes a cigar, perform some arcane chant, and the next day, a roof collapses. Or maybe 30 people come down with food poisoning in the lunch room.

Everybody points a finger at Little Johnny, with the funny necklace.

 

[MtnMan]

A Satanic Temple hosts an after school Satanic Club event prompting Christians who can now hold such events regularly to manifest indignation. The OP describes this phenomenon of a loosening of past laws that limit religious events on a school campus as having opened a can of worms that may now make a reversal of such a violation of the traditional separation of secular education from religious belief like getting the worms back in the cam.

To the delight of a number of other forum members who revel in the hypocrisy of Christiansthey echo that sentiment and along comes a professed Christian poster who says that he doesn’t give a shit.

Some new way must now be found by the anti-religion bigots to put him down. You suggested that his particular form of blindness is that, like the Satanist whose profession of belief he suggested only makes the fact they are fools obvious, you equate his belief with theirs by tying it to believing in fairy tales thus tagging him as a similar fool.

At that point I suggested you might be describing yourself as a food if your diagnosis is accurate because what all the positions thus far taken are based merely on belief. So I asked you to substantiate your statement as resting on something solid, provable and real, suggesting, also you would not be able too, because you are just as full of certainty in what amounts to only your unexamined and unprovable opinion.

You then, of course, immediately deflected in the manner I described so I asked you once again to answer my question, this time providing you with what you would need to prove to validate your position. That went right over your head because your certainty makes you bling to the flaws in your reasoning.

if I ask you why you are critical of people of people who believe just like you do, simply believe what they believe without proof of anything, and want to challenge that statement, one way to do so would be to deny that you are critical of them in the first place. If you were not critical of them, if you did not hold their ignorance in contempt, I would have pegged you wrong, but, as I had already suggested and you have now confirmed, you are critical of them. So that argument will not work.

I then offered you three other arguments that if you could prove would defeat my conclusion.

So I did not say you are not critical. I said you are and you agree, so that won’t deny you are just as I said, critical of people who believe but can’t prove the truth of what they believe.

so I am still waiting for your proof. I have made the claim only that like them you completely ignore the fact that all you have is opinion devoid of proof. Your proof is simply the same proof offered by any bigot religious or otherwise.

Proving that religion is a fairy tale would be a good place to start.
Try not posting anything but that 9 out of 10 dentists agree with your opinion. Good luck.

Religion is all too real. Deities and other staring characters are the fairy tales.

But I'm not going to get into a senseless debate of proving the negative debate who really struggles to compose anything but word salad.

 

[Moonbeam]

Religion is all too real. Deities and other staring characters are the fairy tales.

But I'm not going to get into a senseless debate of proving the negative debate who really struggles to compose anything but word salad.

And why would you? It would only reveal

Religion is all too real. Deities and other staring characters are the fairy tales.

But I'm not going to get into a senseless debate of proving the negative debate who really struggles to compose anything but word salad.

Nowhere in anything I have said or that you have said was there the slightest suggestion that religions are not a real phenomenon. You have, from the very beginning referred to the characters religions believe to be demons or gods of some kind or another to be fairy tale characters, meaning beings made up by humans in the past that have no real existence, but which fools believe in without proof. I simply said that you were making a statement that had a similar flaw, that you take it on belief they are fairy tale characters but that you can't prove it. I furthermore stated that as with any religious fanatic, you would deny that was so because of your ego certainty, just like any other form of bigot.

It is only natural, then, that we would arrive at the point where you would claim your position to be so true it would be a waste of your time to actually prove it. And were you not so contemptuous of the beliefs of others you might have a chance to see this because what you despise in others is your own reflection. I mention this only because it's a real shame. A lot of those religious nut balls who believe in an imaginary God of Love experience a state of intoxication that transforms their inner being.