Some quick statistics for those accusing Israel of Genocide

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Hitting a target Hizbollah is using is legitimate. What do you suggest? Israel not attack the people they are fighting?

You'd make a fine general, just make sure you have 5 gears in reverse.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Do some reading on the Bosnian conflict... you'll find things like the "Srebrenica massacre"

7-8,000 civillian Bosniak males were gathered and killed.

There's a pretty clear cut pattern of the Serbs performing a systematic ethnic cleansing of the Bosniaks. This is Genocide...

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize
What is the point, exactly, since you won't answer the question? It seems that any logic you don't like is considered "trolling" by you. :roll:

I'll ask it again, but you probably won't answer it because you don't want to expose your lack of logic. So you don't think innocent deaths are an inevitable by-product of war?

Since you've basically morally absolved every terrorist in the world of their actions, or likewise accused every participant in every war of terrorism.

In your world, governments cannot attack terrorists, because they are constantly mingled with civilians, and therefore any attack that could also take out civilians is wrong.

Feel free to Cheney yourself with your faux black-and-white hogwash. Innocent deaths are obviously a consequence of war. That is why it is imperative one go to war only as a last resort, and that if military action is truly necessary, you do all that you can to assure your actions are focused and proportionate. Your diversionary attack presumes Israel's large-scale assault on Lebanese civilian facilities is their only possible response to Hezbollah's attacks. That presumption is plainly nonsense. There are many other, more tempered responses Israel could have chosen. Instead, they have knowingly and willfully taken a course of action that would cause substantial civilian casualties. In my book, that puts them in the wrong, just as Hezbollah is in the wrong. Neither side can claim the moral high ground.

The point is that Israel's apologists try to dismiss those innocent deaths as unavoidable collateral damage, totally dodging the question of what Isreal could do differently. I find that just as repugnant as al Qaida excusing the WTC innocent deaths as unavoidable collateral damage. In both cases, the attacker refuses to acknowledge their own responsibility for killing innocent people. It's "the war's" fault. :roll:

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Hitting a target Hizbollah is using is legitimate. What do you suggest? Israel not attack the people they are fighting?

You'd make a fine general, just make sure you have 5 gears in reverse.

Oh yes, everything Israel hits are always "Hezbollah targets". And all the civilians killed are "terrorists". Why? Because Israel says so.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Hitting a target Hizbollah is using is legitimate. What do you suggest? Israel not attack the people they are fighting?

You'd make a fine general, just make sure you have 5 gears in reverse.

Oh yes, everything Israel hits are always "Hezbollah targets". And all the civilians killed are "terrorists". Why? Because Israel says so.

Hardly, has Israel said every civilian killed is a terrorist? You sure like to make a lot of broad accusations without backing them up.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Do some reading on the Bosnian conflict... you'll find things like the "Srebrenica massacre"

7-8,000 civillian Bosniak males were gathered and killed.

There's a pretty clear cut pattern of the Serbs performing a systematic ethnic cleansing of the Bosniaks. This is Genocide...

Sure the Serbs were much more blunt about it as they apparantly didnt care about world opinion or things like that. And look where it got them... NATO bombardment.

But if the results are similar it doesnt make much difference to me how it occurred. Once this conflict is over let's compare images of whats left of cities like Beirut to the cities of Bosnia like Srajevo. Probably won't look much different. Actually Beirut might look worse as Israel's bombs are far more devastating than the artillery rounds Serbia used. They couldn't collapse buildings nearly as effectively as the 500lb bombs dropped by jets.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Do some reading on the Bosnian conflict... you'll find things like the "Srebrenica massacre"

7-8,000 civillian Bosniak males were gathered and killed.

There's a pretty clear cut pattern of the Serbs performing a systematic ethnic cleansing of the Bosniaks. This is Genocide...

Sure the Serbs were much more blunt about it as they apparantly didnt care about world opinion or things like that. And look where it got them... NATO bombardment.

But if the results are similar it doesnt make much difference to me how it occurred. Once this conflict is over let's compare images of whats left of cities like Beirut to the cities of Bosnia like Srajevo. Probably won't look much different. Actually Beirut might look worse as Israel's bombs are far more devastating than the artillery rounds Serbia used. They couldn't collapse buildings nearly as effectively as the 500lb bombs dropped by jets.

There is a big difference in the intent. Dropping munitions on a target and having civilians killed in the cross fire is not equal to massing them together, shooting them, then burying them with the intention of wiping their race or group off the earth.

If you cant distiguish the differences you have problems.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lozina
Here's a way to put your number sin perspective. Lets compare your current numbers in Lebanon to the numbers during the Bosnian crisis.

Bosnian War lasted from April 1 1992 to December 14 1995
that's approx. 1330 days the conflict lasted.

The civilian casualties on Bosnian side looks like is 33,000

That comes out to about 25 civilian deaths per day.

Compare that to the 28.5 deaths per day you derived for the Lebanese conflict

The aftermath of the Bosnian War was accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and numerous war crimes against Serb leaders including the President. Anyone want to bet though that Israel will face any such consequences for their actions in Lebanon? Didnt think so...

Are Israeli's taking hundreds of Muslims, lining them up along ditches and putting bullets in the back of their heads?

Didnt think so, but nice try to equate the two.

Apparently they don't need to. Their laser-guided "smart bombs" which always hit their intended target unless the intended target draws criticism (hence it conveniently becomes a "mistake") are quite sufficient enough

Hitting a target Hizbollah is using is legitimate. What do you suggest? Israel not attack the people they are fighting?

You'd make a fine general, just make sure you have 5 gears in reverse.

Oh yes, everything Israel hits are always "Hezbollah targets". And all the civilians killed are "terrorists". Why? Because Israel says so.

Hardly, has Israel said every civilian killed is a terrorist? You sure like to make a lot of broad accusations without backing them up.

Hey now we're getting somewhere. You want me to back up my accusations? That's great because I want Israel to back up it's accusations when it bombs a house full of civilians that it actually was a "Hezbollah target". Sadly, we hardly ever get that, and oddly you never seem to complain about that...