Some questions for 25nm IMFT NAND flash

Discussion in 'Memory and Storage' started by JanCerny, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. JanCerny

    JanCerny Junior Member

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    First let me introduce, my name is Jan Černý and I work as SSD reviewer for Czech web magazine: http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/ (in the past I working for http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/30)

    In these days I working on Kingston HyperX SSD review.

    This SSD have Intel 29F16B08CCME2 NAND flash chips. This document says:

    • 25nm MLC Intel
    • ONFi v2.2
    • 2 die, 2 CE, 2 R/B, common I/O
    • 5000 Program/Erase cycles
    • asynchronous mode only
    But local PR:
    Intel SSD 320 have 29F16B08CCME1 and Anand says: http://bit.ly/r3yy9f
    Which information is correct? It's only different version (1=synchronous; 2=synchronous)?
     
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  2. onethreehill

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    The document you linked is 29F16B08CAME1 specs?
    AFAIK,
    Kingston HyperX SSD is using synchronous NAND

    I just started this list (incomplete)

    ADATA S511 120GB - Intel 29F64G08AAMEI
    ADATA S511 240GB - 29F168G 08CAMEI
    Corsair Force Series 3 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAA

    Corsair Force Series GT 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAB.
    Corsair Performance 3 128GB - Toshiba TH58TVG7D2
    FBA89
    Corsair Performance 3 256GB - Toshiba TH58TV68D2 FBA89
    Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB -
    Crucial RealSSD C300 256MB -
    Crucial RealSSD C300 512GB
    Crucial m4 128GB -
    Crucial m4 256MB - Micron 29F128G08CFAAB
    Crucial m4 512GB -
    Intel SSD 320 120GB -
    Intel SSD 320 160GB -
    Intel SSD 320 3000GB -
    Intel SSD 510 120GB -
    Intel
    SSD 510 250GB –
    Kingston HyperX 240GB – Intel 29F168G08CCME2
    OCZ Solid 3 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAA

    OCZ Agility 3 120GB -
    OCZ Agility 3 240GB - 29F128G08CFAAA
    OCZ Vertex 3 120GB - 29F64G08CACME2
    OCZ Vertex 3 240GB - Intel 29F128G08CFAAB
    OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 120GB -
    OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 240GB - Toshiba TH58
    TAG7D2FBA89
    OWC Mercury Electra 6G 120GB -
    OWC Mercury Electra 6G 240GB - 29F168G08CAMEI
    OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 120GB - 29F64G08CBAAB
    OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 240GB – Micron 29F128G08CFAAB
    OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 120GB - Toshiba TH58TAG7D2FBA89
    OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 240GB - Toshiba TH58TAG7D2FBA89
    Patriot Pyro 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAA
    Patriot Wildfire 120GB
     
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  3. JanCerny

    JanCerny Junior Member

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    It's preliminary revision from 10/2009.

    Last digit mean product generation, but i don't know what is it matter. It's mean speed, P/E cycles, better technology process? :confused:

    • ONFi v2.x / toggle mode / synchronous: Corsair Force GT, OCZ Vertex 3, OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS, Kingston HyperX SSD, Super Talent TeraDrive PT3, Patriot Wildfire
    • ONFi v1.0 / asynchronous (slower): OCZ Agility 3, Corsair Force 3, Super Talent TeraDrive CT3, Patriot Pyro

    For Intel 320 and 510 Sereis NAND type look to mine old reviews.
    510 Series have 29F16B08JAMDD (250 GB) and 29F64G08CAMDD (120 GB). 320 Series using different combination in 120GB model (6 × 128 Gbit + 4 × 64 Gbit).

    Answer is here: http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-25025-1-1.html


    Mine part list decoder (based on original documents, but not guaranted truth)
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    P/E cycles list from XS


    MICRON 25nm 3,000 PE cycles. 4K page file. Block size 1,024K
    • MT29F32G08CBACA
    • MT29F64G08CEACA
    • MT29F64G08CFACA
    • MT29F128G08CXACA
    • MT29F64G08CECCB
    • MT29F64G08CFACB

    MICRON 34nm 5,000 PE cycles. 4K page file. Block size 1,024K
    • MT29F32G08CBABA
    • MT29F64G08C[E/F]ABA
    • MT29F128G08C[J/K/M]ABA
    • MT29F256G08CUABA
    • MT29F32G08CBABB
    • MT29F32G08CBCBB
    • MT29F64G08CFABB
    • MT29F64G08CECBB
    • MT29F128G08CJABB
    • MT29F128G08C[K/M]CBB
    • MT29F256G08CUCBB

    MICRON 34nm 10,000 PE cycles. 4K page file. Block size 512K
    • MT29F16G08MAA
    • MT29F32G08QAA
    • MT29F64G08TAA

    Intel 34nm 5,000 PE cycles. 4K page file, Block size 1,024K
    • (JS)29F32G08AAMDB
    • ( JS)29F64G08CAMDB
    • ( JS)29F16B08JAMDB
     
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  4. onethreehill

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    The document you linked in (post #1) is for 29F64G08CAME1, 29F16B08CAME1, 29F32B08CAME1.

    A in the above OPN is probably asynchronous

    Do you have another document with synchronous specs?

    A is 3.3V and B is 1.8V

    If C in Kingston's OPN 29F16B08CCME1 is synchronous

    What is B & F?

    Corsair Force Series 3 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAA
    Corsair Force Series GT 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAB.
    Crucial m4 256MB - Micron 29F128G08CFAAB
    OCZ Solid 3 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAA
    OCZ Agility 3 240GB - 29F128G08CFAAA
    OCZ Vertex 3 120GB - 29F64G08CACME2
    OCZ Vertex 3 240GB - Intel 29F128G08CFAAB
    OWC Mercury Electra 6G 240GB - 29F168G08CAMEI
    OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 120GB - 29F64G08CBAAB
    OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G 240GB – Micron 29F128G08CFAAB
    Patriot Pyro 120GB - Micron 29F64G08CBAAA
     
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  5. JanCerny

    JanCerny Junior Member

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    Micron using similar OPN as Intel, but not same.

    Wiki + Baido:

    • L52A (1, 2) = 2GB MLC, 50 nm, 10.000 P/E cycles, ONFi v1.0, sync mode only
    • M61A = SLC, 34 nm, 100.000 P/E cycles, ONFi v2.1, 166 MT/s (on sync mode)
    • L62A = 2GB MLC, 34 nm
    • M62B = SLC, 34 nm
    • L63A (1, 2) = 4GB MLC, 34 nm, 10.000 P/E cycles, ONFi v2.0, sync mode only? (50 MT/s??)
    • L63B = 4GB MLC, 34 nm, 10.000 P/E cycles, ONFi v2.0, 166 MT/s (on sync mode)
    • L73A = 4GB MLC, 25 nm
    • L74A = 8GB MLC, 25 nm, 5.000 P/E cycles, ONFi v2.2, 200 MT/s (on sync mode)
    Chip organization (#die, C/E, R/B)
    [​IMG]

     
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  6. onethreehill

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    Thank you JanCerny :)


    OCZ Agility 3 240GB SSD - Asynchronous NAND
    [​IMG]

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4346/ocz-agility-3-240gb-review


    OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD - Synchronous NAND
    [​IMG]

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4316/ocz-vertex-3-240gb-review
     
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  7. Yanagi

    Yanagi Golden Member

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    Hi. Im currently reviewing an SSD for the Swedish site Nordichardware. This drive is a budget Sandforce drive with memory chips with the partnumber 29F16B08CCME3. It is supposed to be Async and the performance of the drive tells me that its async.

    But isnt it strange that 29F16B08CCME1 is async, 29F16B08CCME2 is sync och 29F16B08CCME3 is async again? Anyone have any ideas?
     
  8. holoway

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    I think no, Yanagi. As you see on the Intel numbering table in this thread, the last number is only the product generation. Intel numbering is different than Micron numbering, as you can see in numbering tables. Intel numbering doesn`t have number or letter for asynchronous or synchronous NAND flash.
     
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