Some questions about creating a build

Reynard

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Hiya, Anandtech forums! I've spent the past hour or so browsing around, trying to pick up any new information for my addled mind and future build. Seems to be a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful folks around, and I'd like to partake in some of the advice here. Please excuse me if I rattle on, but I figure more information is always better.

Just recently I received a windfall of about $2500. My aging six-year-old beastie of a computer (1.8Ghz, 1GB RAM, 40GB HD, GeForce 5500, it has a floppy drive for crying out load) is all set for retirement, so it couldn't have come at a better time. I've been doing some research, but hardware ain't my thing and I haven't paid any heed to it in years or built my own before so it's a bit like jumping into the deep end. I was pleased to see that some of the choices I'd made echoed in the June '08 sticky.

So, while I have $2500 to spend and can be pretty flexible in the budget, I'm going for a "best bang for the buck" gaming computer... I'm a very frugal person and I'm promising myself I won't go six years without investing a bit of cash in my machine again now that I'm set with steady employment. That said, I think I've already settled on the E8400 3Ghz CPU, but I'm waffling on most other things. I'd narrowed the GPU down to 8800 GT or GTS 512MB, but read about while the GTS has some advantages, it takes up two PCI-E slots and I have no idea how that would affect the internal case logistics. For a mobo, I'd been thinking a P35 something something, but it seems the vast majority of those aforementioned GPUs use PCI-Express 2.0, which seems fairly restricted to the P45 boards. I get the feeling the PCI-Express 2.0 stuff is totally backwards compatible, but want to make sure, and to ask whether or not getting a P45 mobo that supports PCI-Express 2.0 would be worth the money.

Oh, yeah, and the repeated warnings to wait for Radeon's new offerings. I'm in no hurry to build, so I can hold off until those get some ratings.

What else, what else... Ah, memory. I'm doing okay with 1gig right now, so my frugal nature was telling me 2gig ought to suffice, but I know more is better. So 4gig of 800-somethings is the recommendation? If so, does that mean Vista's inevitable, since XP won't handle that much memory? (I'd like a dual boot system, it's about damn time I got my feet wet with Linux.)

Ah, yes... Something else to ask on mobos. Most come with onboard ethernet and audio stuff, I'm led to believe. I'm no audiophile so I probably won't need a dedicated card for that.

I'll direct my monitor inquiries to the appropriate forum subsection, but I think UPS falls under General Hardware... what's a good 'un?

I think the last question mark I have in my notes is on overclocking. Given my propensity to let components sit in use for years I wasn't initially planning on doing any, uncertain of the benefits and difficulty of the procedure, plus the added cost of whatever additional cooling it requires and increased failure rates. Is it really as easy/worth it as some have said in my readings?

Thanks a bundle, everyone who answers. Hopefully that wasn't too bad.
 

DSF

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Welcome to AT. :)

First, a word about overclocking since that decision will influence the direction the build takes. Intel has made it very easy to overclock Core2-based chips. Investing a small amount in aftermarket cooling is a good idea, but you can still spend less for more performance. As long as you're careful, the risk of damaging hardware is almost nonexistent. However, it's important that you do plenty of homework before you begin.

If you do decide to overclock, the E7200 is a bargain and a half. It's 2.53GHz stock, basically fast enough to handle anything out there at the moment. People are taking the chips easily past 3 GHz, into the 3.5-3.8GHz range. If you decide not to mess with overclocking, the E8400 is a fine choice.

As far as the 8800GTS blocking a second slot, it's not that big of a deal as long as you don't have another device that needs that slot. (Sound card, RAID card, TV tuner, etc.) It's only really an issue for people who have so many expansion cards that they need to fill every slot.

P45 isn't necessary, as the PCI-e spec is fully backwards compatible. It's not as overpriced as X38 or X48 though, so it's not a bad option. There just isn't any real performance difference between P35 and P45.

RAM is cheap enough that there's no reason not to get 4GB. 2x2GB is best way to do that, because it puts less stress on your memory controller. If you're not overclocking DDR2-800 is fine. If you are overclocking you may want to look into DDR2-1000 to allow you to push your FSB past 400MHz with less trouble. 32-bit XP won't recognize more than about 3-3.5GB of RAM, but it doesn't hurt anything.
 

Reynard

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Thanks for your input... even though it has me waffling even more over the possibility of overclocking, hah. I'd like to try and get answers to my other stuff... it it acceptable to nudge your topics until someone takes notice and offers an answer?
 

GuitarDaddy

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Overclocking is free speed with little to no risk if you remain moderate and are sparing with voltages. Onboard sound is fine for gaming and general usage, if you use your computer to listen to alot of music and/or movies get a sound card. RAM: 2x2gb is definately the way to go, you can't use quite all of it with WinXP x32 or Vista x32 but thats OK for now but limits your upgrade path, Vista x64 is the obvious choice for a new build IMO.

Monitor will likely last longer(tech wize) than anything else you buy and should be where you focus a large part of your budget. I would recommend a 24" s-pva panel or a 22" tn panel if your budget won't alow the 24"

And yes you will get more reponses from a shorter more organized post, and number your questions
 

KeypoX

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go with vista 64 bit drivers are great and i have no problem. Def get 2gb sticks 2 x 2GB for 4GB that way if you wanna goto 8GB in the future its not a problem. I remember building my first xp machine and only using 512MB of ram, which was more than enough at that time. Anyways.
Your budget is really high in comparison to what mine usually is. You do not want the 8800GT or GTS now with the new atis out. As they are so close in price and way beyond in performance. The 8400 is an awesome choice for dual core and from what i have read alot of people hit 4ghz on it. I think right now is the time to be beyond 3ghz and towards 4ghz so i would og with that. Though i would prob go quad core right now...

You didnt mention Hard drive but you need to get a fast harddrive like the two new WD's that recently came out. The WD 640GB is faster than almost all HD's right now with the exception of the even newer WD velociraptor 300GB, but with big price deference http://www.anandtech.com/stora...howdoc.aspx?i=3291&p=7

I have seen the 640GB less than 100 so its a pretty hot/smart buy.

 

KeypoX

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Also you mention linux, but have you heard about the osx project? If i was building right now i would make sure my MOBO is 100% supported to run Mac OSX. Linux is cool but it lacks alot, now using a mac i dont have to switch back and forth between windows as i do with linux...
 

Reynard

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Very well, I'll make the effort to be concise.

Budget: More than enough.
Goal: Best Bang For the Buck (BBFB) Gaming PC

Important decisions
CPU: E8400 Core 2 Duo 3Ghz - Not going to overclock right away, maybe later though.
GPU: ATI Radeon 4850 - Glad I waited for this thing. Clear upgrade path; when I need more boost, go Crossfire with this thing.
RAM: Settled on 2x2 gigs, but I don't know what of yet. Help appreciated.
Mobo: Definitely where I'm having trouble deciding. As I understand it, this is essentially between good P35, slightly better P45, and more expensive X48. Being the most annoying aspect to upgrade, I'd like to go high quality/ready for the future, and additionally capable of Crossfiring the Radeon 4850 whenever I get around to that.

Other decisions
Power Supply: I'd like to leave a margin for that planned second graphics card, and have the money to spend on high quality here. That 750W Corsair in the recommended builds looks nice, but if there are any suggestions...
Case: Just looking at styles, I don't know how to judge these things. Is there anything in specific I should try to avoid?
Extra cooling: I'm not looking to overclock right away but I understand this is a good idea all the same. Recommendations?
Hard Drive: Just looking for something standard and reliable.
DVD Drive: Just looking for something standard and reliable.
OS: Dual boot Ubuntu/Vista, probably.
 

GuitarDaddy

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On graphics cards: Crossfire and SLI are very seldom a good upgrade path unless your planning on upgrading again in a couple of months. Normally by the time your ready to upgrade there will be better upgrade options than buying another card matching your old one. And even just a year after release you may find it hard to find a matching card.
And ATI has some problems with support for several games, where crossfire provides no advantage over a single card at higher resolutions. You could wait another couple of weeks for the 4870 to come out, or the inevitable 4870x2, much better options than crossfire IMO. If you really want to play with crossfire, just start off withe 2x 4850's its certainly within your budget.

Don't worry about "future proofing" the motherboard, socket 775 is dead regardless of what chipset you get. The wolfdales and yorkfields will be the last s775 chips produced, if you go with the E8400, your only upgrade is to a higher wolfdale or a yorkie quad. So don't worry so much about chipset and just find a solid board with the features you want.
 

Reynard

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See, this is what's frustrating about the experience. You pick a path, run it by someone and it turns out you're facing a dead end. XD At some point I have to stop waiting for the "next big thing" whether it's Intel's new architecture or a slightly better GPU... I think I just have to nail it down to the 4850, say nuts to Crossfire if that's no good, and see how things go.

That said, I'm still having issues picking out a motherboard. I'm comparing and comparing, but it doesn't help if I don't understand what's good and what's bad. I'm trying to use the offerings in the June '08 Recommendations thread as a baseline but there's only so many acronyms and variations I can balance before I start drinking.
 

Bignate603

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You sound like you have a great plan overall and have put in way more planning than most people that wander in here looking for help. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about having an upgrade path like SLI for your graphics card. Like was said before, when its time for a new one there will be better ones out there. You just replace your old one, and find something to do with the old one (I hear geforce FX cards make decent door stops).

I think you're looking at a great machine that will leave a bunch of money left in your budget left for games, a killer monitor, or some other toy.
 

Reynard

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Haha, thank you. I'm a "measure three times, cut a little bit, measure again, make sure the cut looks right, then cut the rest" person, particularly for matters involving a lot of money. I think I'm nearing the end of this little educational experience... Let's see what I've got lined up. If I'm overspending/bottlenecking on anything, please please let me know.

Main components:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 Retail - $190
GPU: ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card Retail - $200
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Dynamic Energy Saver Ultra Durable II Intel Motherboard Retail - $100 after rebate
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK Retail - $105
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive OEM - $60
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply Retail - $120 after rebate
DVD: SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N OEM - $29
Total: $804

Peripherals
Monitor: BenQ G2400WD Black 24" 5ms, 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor Retail - $400

Stuff I Still Need
Case: So bloody many mixed reviews. I know for certain that I don't want any tacky windows or lights; no visible logos if I can help it. Gray is my favorite color, but black goes with anything too. Don't know if I want full or mid tower, I haven't been able to get a feel for how they compare in size.
Aftermarket cooler: Better get it now if I intend to overclock in the future.
Mouse: I'll wander into a Best Buy and check out the display units, but is there anything to watch out for?
Keyboard: See above.
Speakers: Yay, another component to research I know nothing about. I think I need to stop moving my goal line... but hey, do it now or do it later.

It feels good to have a list of parts and a close-to-final cost to look at... real good. I'm nearly there, though! One or two last pushes and I'll be out of this forum's hair. Thanks again folks!