Some question move to protect children from disappointment, failure

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Should we let kids feel exclusion's sting?
Some question move to protect children from disappointment, failure

Wednesday, August 9, 2006; Posted: 10:37 a.m. EDT (14:37 GMT)


Some schools don't allow party invitations to be given out unless every child in the class is invited.

(AP) -- Penny Grossman cringes each time a student mentions a birthday party during class at her Boston, Massachusetts-area preschool. The rule there, and at a growing number of America's schools, is that parties and play-dates shouldn't be discussed unless every child in the room is invited.

Gone are the days when a kindergartner dropped a handful of party invites in the classroom cubbyholes of their closest buddies. Today, if anyone is excluded the invitations can't be handed out at school.

The idea that protecting kids from rejection is crucial to safeguarding their self-esteem has gained momentum in recent years.

Take Valentine's Day: At some schools, a second-grader can't offer paper valentines or heart-shaped candies to a short list of pals and secret crushes anymore. They give cards to everyone or no one at all.

Or sports: In many towns, scorekeeping no longer happens at soccer or softball games played by kids under 8 or 9. Win or lose, every player in the league gets a trophy at the season's end.

As with many child-rearing trends, some parents and educators see wisdom where others spot foolishness. Many see a mixture of both.

"You try and do things gently when they're little because it is still hard," says Grossman, who is raising two teenagers while teaching preschool. "But I think this is a problem, and it's a growing one, because kids grow up and have this inflated sense of self-worth. Whether they earn anything, it's always a trophy. They have no sense that you have to work hard for some things."

Susan Reel, a mother of two living in Madison, Connecticut, doesn't see a downside to inviting the whole class to a birthday party.

"When they're in first and second grade, their friends are so day-to-day. It's who they played with yesterday," she says. "So to pick one or the other is shortsighted on the parents' part."

She believes that schools are paying more attention to children's feelings because they understand better today the damage done when a small group of kids is consistently excluded.

"When we went to school, people were bullied. Now we know kids have a much greater instance of suicide and depression when they've been bullied," she says.

Jolie Nichols, also a mother of two, disagrees. She believes kids in her Minneapolis neighborhood would benefit from competing for a trophy or handling a mild bit of rejection.

"It's just natural and it's realistic to have to deal with these things," she says. At her 7-year-old daughter's gymnastics class, everyone receives the same ribbon or medal for their performance, regardless of how well they've done.

Rather than imparting self-esteem, some experts believe this gives kids an unhealthy sense of entitlement.

"Self-esteem comes from those feelings you have about yourself for a job well done, for when you have achieved something," says Dr. Georgette Constantinou, administrative director of pediatric psychiatry at Akron Children's Hospital in Ohio. "It's not something you pour into your children."

She feels that many parents aren't equipping their kids to manage basic challenges.

"How do you expect them to handle life's big bumps if they haven't experienced the little ones?" she asks.

No one disagrees that disappointment is real: There are contests we all lose, parties we're excluded from. But what motivates so many parents to postpone that reality until their children reach the age of 10 or beyond?

For one thing, kids' lives are so tightly scheduled today that we're enrolling smaller and smaller children in organized activities. It may be true that 6-year-olds aren't ready to handle losing a T-Ball championship; a generation ago, 6-year-olds wouldn't have even been playing team sports.

Parents may also be reacting to their own economic and career stress by trying to protect their kids from it.

"This group is balancing things that previous generations haven't had to balance," says Constantinou. "The number of women in the work force is phenomenal, probably the largest since the war years, so you have a lot more stressed parents."

Busy parents turn to schools and other care-givers for help, says Mike Sanchez, co-owner of Camp Innovation, a Houston, Texas-area day camp. It does offer competitive games, but also gives each camper an award each week.

"I tell counselors, always find something specific about the kids," Sanchez says. "It helps with parents who say they may not be cleaning at home or working well with a brother or sister. We work on it, and then give them an award for best spirit of the week, best cleaner of the week."

Critics of the trend worry about a generation of kids who haven't experienced rejection or failure -- especially compared with countries such as China and Japan, where a focus on competition defines the lives of many children.

Learning to compete, says Nichols, is vital. "It sets them up for real life things like a job," she says. "It helps people develop their skills."

 

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Figured everyone would enjoy this article since this is such a hot topic here.
 

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Missed this post.

I think we should expose kids to exclusion, but we also need to teach them how to deal with it. That second part is very important.
 

Linflas

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This has been going on for a long time now. I remember reading a story back in the early 90's about a school system in Indiana that tried to make sports non-competative so there would be no losers.
 

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Originally posted by: Linflas
This has been going on for a long time now. I remember reading a story back in the early 90's about a school system in Indiana that tried to make sports non-competative so there would be no losers.

Well, I'm an old fart. The early 90s isn't that long ago for me. :p
 

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This might work great in a communist government, but in the land of capitolism this is going to set these kids up to kill themselves when they are rejected for jobs and their mom finally says no they can't still live in the basement when they are 33.
 

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She believes that schools are paying more attention to children's feelings because they understand better today the damage done when a small group of kids is consistently excluded.

"When we went to school, people were bullied. Now we know kids have a much greater instance of suicide and depression when they've been bullied," she says.

Is it just me, or did this woman switch topics? At first she was talking about kids being excluded from certain things, and then she started talking about bullying. Maybe to her they are the same thing, but my opinion is that bullying is something vastly different.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
She believes that schools are paying more attention to children's feelings because they understand better today the damage done when a small group of kids is consistently excluded.

"When we went to school, people were bullied. Now we know kids have a much greater instance of suicide and depression when they've been bullied," she says.

Is it just me, or did this woman switch topics? At first she was talking about kids being excluded from certain things, and then she started talking about bullying. Maybe to her they are the same thing, but my opinion is that bullying is something vastly different.

they get bullied because they are excluded. you never had cliques in HS?
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: pontifex
repost from yesterday

Can you ever forgive me?

lol

Exclusion and disappointment are cruel facts of life. Why would you want to shield your child from them any more than you would want to shield them from playing football since they might lose?

The fact is, they are going to deal with it sooner or later and it might as well not be when they are 23.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Aflac
Missed this post.

I think we should expose kids to exclusion, but we also need to teach them how to deal with it. That second part is very important.

finally a solution that makes sense.
 

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
She believes that schools are paying more attention to children's feelings because they understand better today the damage done when a small group of kids is consistently excluded.

"When we went to school, people were bullied. Now we know kids have a much greater instance of suicide and depression when they've been bullied," she says.

Is it just me, or did this woman switch topics? At first she was talking about kids being excluded from certain things, and then she started talking about bullying. Maybe to her they are the same thing, but my opinion is that bullying is something vastly different.

they get bullied because they are excluded. you never had cliques in HS?

I think your definition of bullying must be a little broader than mine. My definition says that being excluded from a clique isn't bullying. On the other hand, one kid intimidating another is bullying.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
She believes that schools are paying more attention to children's feelings because they understand better today the damage done when a small group of kids is consistently excluded.

"When we went to school, people were bullied. Now we know kids have a much greater instance of suicide and depression when they've been bullied," she says.

Is it just me, or did this woman switch topics? At first she was talking about kids being excluded from certain things, and then she started talking about bullying. Maybe to her they are the same thing, but my opinion is that bullying is something vastly different.

they get bullied because they are excluded. you never had cliques in HS?

I think your definition of bullying must be a little broader than mine. My definition says that being excluded from a clique isn't bullying. On the other hand, one kid intimidating another is bullying.

I think what he's trying to say is it's usually the excluded kids who end up being bullied.
 

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Aflac
Missed this post.

I think we should expose kids to exclusion, but we also need to teach them how to deal with it. That second part is very important.

finally a solution that makes sense.
I also agree.

Would be nice to start seeing people become adults again at 18 and not having their hands held till they were in their mid 20's+

 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: NuclearNed
She believes that schools are paying more attention to children's feelings because they understand better today the damage done when a small group of kids is consistently excluded.

"When we went to school, people were bullied. Now we know kids have a much greater instance of suicide and depression when they've been bullied," she says.

Is it just me, or did this woman switch topics? At first she was talking about kids being excluded from certain things, and then she started talking about bullying. Maybe to her they are the same thing, but my opinion is that bullying is something vastly different.

they get bullied because they are excluded. you never had cliques in HS?

I think your definition of bullying must be a little broader than mine. My definition says that being excluded from a clique isn't bullying. On the other hand, one kid intimidating another is bullying.

I think what he's trying to say is it's usually the excluded kids who end up being bullied.

yes, thats what i'm saying and thats where i think the lady was going with her comments. or maybe she was just talking about 2 different things. can't people do that?
 

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Even the soon-to-be freshman that bave been trouncing about campus the past couple months have their helocopter parents following them around. God, they are 18 years old, they can handle themselves - and if they can't, they will learn huge lessons about life.
 

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Last year, there was a school district in TX that was considering banning teachers from using RED ink to grade papers since it may reinforce negative feelings of performing badly since RED is associated with 'F' papers...

geez, if you get your kids to do their homework instead of watching TV and playing video games, they probably wouldn't get F's and not have to worry about seeing red ink on their papers...

 

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It's a well discussed topic in developmental psychology and a large number agree that you should not shield children from disappointment and failure, as they are going to experience it at some point in life, and it would be better for them to be prepared early on rather than shocked later.
 

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Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
It's a well discussed topic in developmental psychology and a large number agree that you should not shield children from disappointment and failure, as they are going to experience it at some point in life, and it would be better for them to be prepared early on rather than shocked later.
Psychologists need to start getting the word out. This type of harmful behavior is on the increase.

 

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I remember reading an article a year or two ago about how this coddling of our youths has resulted in a generation of kids who have a sense of entitlement.

I've seen it firsthand... I've mentioned before one of my good friends teaches the freshman English course at his university-- and he's noticed a lot of kids who will come in to his office demanding to know why he gave their very mediocre term paper a "C" when all throughout junior high and high school teachers told them they were the next Ernest Hemingway.

 

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
It's a well discussed topic in developmental psychology and a large number agree that you should not shield children from disappointment and failure, as they are going to experience it at some point in life, and it would be better for them to be prepared early on rather than shocked later.
Psychologists need to start getting the word out. This type of harmful behavior is on the increase.

Come on, now. You know no one listens to psychologists.
 

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Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
It's a well discussed topic in developmental psychology and a large number agree that you should not shield children from disappointment and failure, as they are going to experience it at some point in life, and it would be better for them to be prepared early on rather than shocked later.
Yep. It's like if you had a puppy that you never bothered to housebreak until it became a full-grown dog. That's how these teachers want to raise our children.