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zerocool84

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But once again you are creating a justification based on something not happening. In the end there is never justification for disrespect.

Oh so since you say it's not happening that means it isn't. Well I was driving home from work as usual and seeing Christians holding up signs that and on a mega phones spouting their crap and saying you are going to rot in hell if you don't believe in god. We see Christians on tv doing the same. Exactly my point, no justification for disrespect. Christians disrespect gays and anyone not Christian. It always goes both ways. Christians disrespect everyone else and Atheists disrespect Christians. You for some reason think Christians don't disrespect anyone. That really shows how naive you are. I've already said this many times, if Christians and religious people in general actually followed the word of their god(s), there wouldn't be 99% of the ammo thrown at them because they would be really great people but that's not the case. Christians are just as bad as any Atheists you say is being disrespectful. The only difference between the two is that one says they are living their life in the name of god and one isn't.
 
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lupi

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love this thread.

but towards the OP's point; most outright forms of hate around here will get frowned upon from the officials that be. religion bashing has been allowed and therefore encourage for quite some time.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Oh so since you say it's not happening that means it isn't. Well I was driving home from work as usual and seeing Christians holding up signs that and on a mega phones spouting their crap and saying you are going to rot in hell if you don't believe in god. We see Christians on tv doing the same. Exactly my point, no justification for disrespect. Christians disrespect gays and anyone not Christian. It always goes both ways. Christians disrespect everyone else and Atheists disrespect Christians. You for some reason think Christians don't disrespect anyone. That really shows how naive you are. I've already said this many times, if Christians and religious people in general actually followed the word of their god(s), there wouldn't be 99% of the ammo thrown at them because they would be really great people but that's not the case. Christians are just as bad as any Atheists you say is being disrespectful. The only difference between the two is that one says they are living their life in the name of god and one isn't.
You are apparently unaware of Malak's two infallible rules

1.) Christians can do no wrong.
2.) If a Christian does something wrong, see (1).
 

Malak

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Oh so since you say it's not happening that means it isn't. Well I was driving home from work as usual and seeing Christians holding up signs that and on a mega phones spouting their crap and saying you are going to rot in hell if you don't believe in god. We see Christians on tv doing the same. Exactly my point, no justification for disrespect. Christians disrespect gays and anyone not Christian. It always goes both ways. Christians disrespect everyone else and Atheists disrespect Christians. You for some reason think Christians don't disrespect anyone. That really shows how naive you are. I've already said this many times, if Christians and religious people in general actually followed the word of their god(s), there wouldn't be 99% of the ammo thrown at them because they would be really great people but that's not the case. Christians are just as bad as any Atheists you say is being disrespectful. The only difference between the two is that one says they are living their life in the name of god and one isn't.

I am not saying it never happens, I am keeping things in the context of this forum. I can't stand the people with the signs either and I guarantee you that God does an epic facepalm because of them too. I oppose that just as much as you. That is my point, disrespect like that is never acceptable. Can we agree on peace?
 

TridenT

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There is no god.

Suck my dick.

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Seriously, was that necessary?


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Malak

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You are apparently unaware of Malak's two infallible rules

1.) Christians can do no wrong.
2.) If a Christian does something wrong, see (1).

Anyone can screw up or do wrong. Consistent behavior that doesn't match the written and professed goals of Christianity prove someone isn't a Christian. This has been an issue talked about since Jesus.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Anyone can screw up or do wrong. Consistent behavior that doesn't match the written and professed goals of Christianity prove someone isn't a Christian. This has been an issue talked about since Jesus.
A Christian is as a Christian does, period. I realize you have your little No True Scotsman dogma, but it simply doesn't hold water.
 

Malak

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A Christian is as a Christian does, period. I realize you have your little No True Scotsman dogma, but it simply doesn't hold water.

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, it is completely irrational. Nobody is born a Christian. Being a Christian requires meeting the criteria, that is how all labels work. That is the definition of labels. The concept here is so basic that it still puzzles me why people don't get this.

If someone sacrifices babies and does drugs all day, but calls themselves Christian... that doesn't make them Christian. You don't get to change the definition or criteria of the label just because someone said they are Christian. The criteria was established thousands of years ago.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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What you are saying makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, it is completely irrational.
Coming from someone that holds a patently fallacious belief as part of his dogma, you'll have to forgive me if your claims are less than convincing.

Nobody is born a Christian. Being a Christian requires meeting the criteria, that is how all labels work. That is the definition of labels. The concept here is so basic that it still puzzles me why people don't get this.
What you don't get is that there is no objectively "true" definition, and consequently there is no "test" for "true" Christianity. That's the reason why the No True Scotsman fallacy is a fallacy.

If someone sacrifices babies and does drugs all day, but calls themselves Christian... that doesn't make them Christian.
Says you. You are not the officiator of definitions. Like I said, a Christian is as a Christian does. Sucks for you, I guess, but that's the way it is.

You don't get to change the definition or criteria of the label just because someone said they are Christian.
You don't get to arbitrarily exclude people because their behavior reflects poorly on a group to which you claim to belong, either.

The criteria was established thousands of years ago.
The older a set of criteria is does not make it more "true" criteria.
 

PowerEngineer

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Malak, I gather you are arguing that "true" Christians demonstrate through their actions what (you believe) Christ taught, and that these are only a fraction of people who call themselves Christians. From your previous postings (particularly around organized religion), it's my impression that it might be a very small fraction. I'd be interested in your "ball park" estimate of the percentage of people who call themselves Christians that you guess would be "true" Christians in your eyes.

The reason I bring this up is that (for better or worse) your decision to identify yourself as a "Christian" does declare to the world that you share some significant things in common with all others who also call themselves Christians. There's some "big tent" of ideas that you all feel comfortable espousing. You can't on the one hand declare yourself a Christian while on the other hand completely absolve yourself from what other Christains say or do. (Similarly I don't believe that Muslims can wash their hands of all responsibility for the terrorist activities being perpetrated by extremists in the name of Allah. They bear a bigger responsibility than non-Muslims for addressing the bad behavior inside their "big tent".)

Perhaps we need smaller "tents". Maybe you should call yourself a "Malak Christian" and I should call myself a "non-Trident agnostic".

():)
 

Sea Moose

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What religotards dont (or refuse to) realize is that they have had their time. Their wizards have not solved any of the worlds problems. In fact i think many would agree that religotards cause most of the worlds problems.

I think that religion has had its turn. It is time for the religions of old to die off. Science is the way forward



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Starwars imperial march

GIBME DAT CHRISFARG SIDE HUG !! DAT CHRISTMAG SIDE HUG!!

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Paul98

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So Malak what must be done or not done so that you consider them a christian?
 

Nik

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If someone sacrifices babies and does drugs all day, but calls themselves Christian... that doesn't make them Christian.

Sure they can. Being a Christian wipes away all your sins and, no matter the sin, Jesus will forgive you, yeah? So sacrifice all the babies and do all the drugs you want, you'll be forgiven.

...naturally, this is an exaggeration, but the principle is true. Christians often use that as an excuse to do whatever or treat people however they want because they don't have any reason to feel badly about what they're doing.

"Oh, I'll just repent later."

Yes, the bible talks about this at length, too, but it doesn't seem to change does it!
 

Malak

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Malak, I gather you are arguing that "true" Christians demonstrate through their actions what (you believe) Christ taught, and that these are only a fraction of people who call themselves Christians. From your previous postings (particularly around organized religion), it's my impression that it might be a very small fraction. I'd be interested in your "ball park" estimate

I would never make such an estimate. The only reason it seems like I imply a smaller number is because everyone just likes to talk about the bad self-appointed representitives.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Exactly what Jesus said. Love unconditionally. It is that simple.
Of course, the Spanish Inquisitors were only looking out for the immortal souls of their victims, loving them by toturing the sins out of them, as it were.

And naturally you'll chime in with something along the lines of "that wasn't Christian love," and we'll be back where we started. :rolleyes:

Face it. A lot of Christians were and are assholes. Trying to squirm out of the association only makes you look dishonest.
 

Malak

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Of course, the Spanish Inquisitors were only looking out for the immortal souls of their victims, loving them by toturing the sins out of them, as it were.

And naturally you'll chime in with something along the lines of "that wasn't Christian love," and we'll be back where we started. :rolleyes:

Face it. A lot of Christians were and are assholes. Trying to squirm out of the association only makes you look dishonest.

Your reasoning is mind boggling so I am just going to avoid this discussion. You give the impression of trolling because your stance is so obviously illogical.
 

qliveur

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Of course, the Spanish Inquisitors were only looking out for the immortal souls of their victims, loving them by toturing the sins out of them, as it were.

And naturally you'll chime in with something along the lines of "that wasn't Christian love," and we'll be back where we started. :rolleyes:

Face it. A lot of Christians were and are assholes. Trying to squirm out of the association only makes you look dishonest.
Not a Christian myself, but I think that it's worth pointing out that this post reeks of the association fallacy.

If you're going to troll a religious thread, do it right. Use logic instead of logical fallacies.