Some issues with RV530 perhaps? (X1600)

[Keysplayr]

ATI cancelled RV530 orders in summer

"IT'S NOT every day we hear an executive say that he and the company he leads chickened out. Yet ATI told the press that the key reason why it won't have its RV530, Radeon X1600 generation of cards till December because it chickened out and cancelled its wafer orders. " -Inq quote

Discuss.

 

[TStep]

Isn't the 530 core in some ways a stripped down 580 core, like one working quad of the 580's 4 quads? Well not exactly the best explanation, but a guinea pig core similar to what the 580 is supposed to bring?

 

[Keysplayr]

The RV530 has only 3 quads (12 pipes). At least according to the pipeline diagrams on review sites.
And the RV515 has only 1 quad (4 pipes)

 

[TStep]

I guess what I was trying to say was the r530 core has three pixel shader pipes per ROP, similar to r580 (or at least the rumors). Whereas 520 has a 1:1 ratio.

 

[Keysplayr]

Not really sure. Why do you ask anyways? Not really on topic I guess.

 

[Dman877]

I don't think anyone will miss it. Plenty of stuff in ATi's lineup to fill in (ie GTO2, XL, etc).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Dman877
I don't think anyone will miss it. Plenty of stuff in ATi's lineup to fill in (ie GTO2, XL, etc).

True, but those are still so last gen. I know their good cards, but I know a lot of people in here were looking forward to seeing what the X1600's could do.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: TStep
I guess what I was trying to say was the r530 core has three pixel shader pipes per ROP, similar to r580 (or at least the rumors). Whereas 520 has a 1:1 ratio.

I've heard that theory too, and it seems plausible from seeing how it held up with the r520, rv530 and the rv515. It would be cool, though, if instead of only 4 TMU's, they put more on the rv530, because otherwise it's really not looking too strong against last gen 6800-series cards or the x800xl. In fact the x800xl kills the rv530 in pretty much every benchmark.

 

[Hacp]

Yawn. Can you stop posting these please. We can all go to the inquirer and read it ourselves if we like. This thread is probably going to have 5+ pages with lots of flame wars and you know it. Thats why you posted.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Yawn. Can you stop posting these please. We can all go to the inquirer and read it ourselves if we like. This thread is probably going to have 5+ pages with lots of flame wars and you know it. Thats why you posted.

I think you would like to believe that I posted it for that reason. Ironic part is, you are the first in this thread to insult anyone. What does that tell you about yourself?

Now if everyone would just ignore the "usually" passive and surprisingly rude post from Hacp, lets get on with our benign discussion.

By the way, if the INq. article said, "7800Ultra cancelled", you can bet your a$$ it would be posted here instead of this.

 

[Keysplayr]

Did the X1600 outperform the X800/X850 pro even?

 

[Dman877]

The X1600 is worse then the 6600GT most of the time which is significantly slower then most of the 12 pipe X800's iirc.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Did the X1600 outperform the X800/X850 pro even?

No, because it leaked.

Good find, wow, these fixes and respins must be costing ATI a TON.

 

[Keysplayr]

Woah. There are some pretty big gaps in performance from the X1000's. ATI will eventually fill in these gaps. I guess they are still waiting for the R423/480 cores to deplete. The X800GTO's are flying off the shelves faster than they can be stocked.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Did the X1600 outperform the X800/X850 pro even?

No, because it leaked.

Good find, wow, these fixes and respins must be costing ATI a TON.

I would think so also. But the weird thing is, they said it has the same exact problem that the X1800 did. Why didn't they detect this earlier?

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Dman877
The X1600 is worse then the 6600GT most of the time which is significantly slower then most of the 12 pipe X800's iirc.

I know the performance isnt spectacular but it isnt as bad as you/some people might suggest :roll:

In current games, except some OpenGL titles, the RADEON X1600 XT generally manages to offer similar or higher performance compared to the GeForce 6800 product.

from Xbitlabs.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Dman877
The X1600 is worse then the 6600GT most of the time which is significantly slower then most of the 12 pipe X800's iirc.

I know the performance isnt spectacular but it isnt as bad as you/some people might suggest :roll:

In current games, except some OpenGL titles, the RADEON X1600 XT generally manages to offer similar or higher performance compared to the GeForce 6800 product.

from Xbitlabs.

So then, its faster than a 6600GT and on par with a 6800nu which a 12 pipe X800pro can mangle. Its not cool when a 12 pipe card from 2 refreshes back and one gen back can own a newer gen higher clocked 12 pipe card. I don't know why they did this. At any rate, these puppies will be around after the new year.

 

[LTC8K6]

But the X800's aren't SM3....

A while ago a bunch of folks were insisting that SM3 was very important.....

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

So then, its faster than a 6600GT and on par with a 6800nu which a 12 pipe X800pro can mangle. Its not cool when a 12 pipe card from 2 refreshes back and one gen back can own a newer gen higher clocked 12 pipe card. I don't know why they did this. At any rate, these puppies will be around after the new year.

Its the same case as a 6600GT beating out a 9800 Pro (same pipelines, similar performance advantage).

And reading the xbitlabs review, I think the X1600 will have a bigger lead in newer games.

 

[Keysplayr]

Actually, I was referring to an older 12 pipe X800pro beating out a newer 12 pipe X1600.

Do you think the X1600 will have a bigger lead in newer games because of its SM3.0 compliance?

 

[TStep]

lacking 256 bit mem bus is not a plus for the x1600

 

[Keysplayr]

128-bit mem bus? Well that would make sense. But its running at 600MHz core.
Anyway, they need X1700's to fill this gap.