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Some info about college bandwidth

CTho9305

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Carnegie Mellon's Computing Services department put a paper in every student's mailbox today... it was pretty much entirely about upstream bandwidth (stuff being sent to the net from computers here) because that is the current problem we have.

Here is some of the stuff it said:

Outbound traffic over a 5 day period:
Single top computer: ~75GB
Top 5 combined: ~225GB
www.andrew.cmu.edu and www.cmu.edu combined (the two main webservers here): ~20GB
Our mail servers: ~10GB

Yearly cost of the commodity link (as in, not the Internet2 link, which isn't relevant here - most traffic goes through the commodity link):
1999: $148,325 (<20Mbps - megabits per second)
2000: $265,000 (~20 to 40Mbps throughout year)
2001: $315,000 (40Mbps initially, upped to 55Mbps)
2002: $370,000 (55Mbps)

Right now - since November, we have 100Mbps because our provider doesn't have anyone else who will buy the 45Mbps we don't pay for, but as soon as someone does buy it, we go back to 55Mbps)

The top 50 computers (there are 14,000 on campus) use 45-53% of the total bandwidth each day. About half of these are in the dorms.

Computing Services has now set guidelines about bandwidth usage - 1GB outbound traffic per day (250MB if you're on wireless). Apparently many people who are using more don't even know they are until they are emailed about it. The paper doesn't say if you HAVE to use under 1 gig per day on average, but I get the impression that if you can explain some reasonable use for the bandwidth they won't punish you.

I just thought this was interesting and figured some others here might also. Espeically that guy a while back who was posting how many gig he was uploading each day and how proud he was about it.
 

Viper GTS

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I pay to go to school here, they HAVE to provide me with all the internet connectivity I want!

And it better be fast, for how much I pay to go here.

Wah!

Viper GTS
 

Spac3d

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Don't even get me started on slow networks. GAtech's network was crap. Simply crap.:disgust::frown:
 

brtspears2

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It sounds fair. At least they haven't put you under a NAT to lock you down from serving.

Though the NAT here at UCR has brought nothing but a stable network, decent speeds, everything your basic connection is suppose to do.
 

brtspears2

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Originally posted by: CTho9305

I just thought this was interesting and figured some others here might also. Espeically that guy a while back who was posting how many gig he was uploading each day and how proud he was about it.

*choke* NuclearFusion *cough* NOTE: They know exactly who you are in the Resnet group at UCR ... beware
 

DaiShan

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My guess is someone is running a topsite off that nice fast 100mbit :) Those prices are through the roof heh, I thought my DSL prices were bad! :p

/edit oh btw, its called ip switches kids, if they aren't putting you behind a NAT, switch ip's every once in a while, I'm sure the people who are using all of the bandwidth will figure this out, of course 1gb/day would mean a LOT of ip switches depending on what they are serving could be a problem lol.
 

Zenmervolt

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What! There's an extra 45 megabits that Pitt could theoretically purchase and they haven't done so? I'm outraged! :p Lucky CMU bastages. :p

ZV
 

Sensor

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At Rutgers University <http://www.rutgers.edu>, we've had set bandwidth guidelines for two years now as the number of dorm rooms connected to the network was increased. With some-odd 50,000 students, I can only assume the bandwidth costs are astronomical.

Rutgers uses an automated tool that tracks your bandwidth usage each day. If the sum of the previous week's download is greater than 2GB or upload is greater than 500MB, you get shut off until the total bandwidth usage drops below the 2GB/500MB limit.

A university somewhere in the south-central has a great system, in my opinion, that when you surpass a designated bandwidth limit the firewalls kick you back to 64kbit/s up and down. This way, even if you go past your limit you'll still have internet access and can't call in to complain.

As much as I miss my free bandwidth and running Counter-Strike servers out of my room, I can understand where the Universities are coming from. Researchers, professors, and whoever else still need to use that bandwidth for relatively-important stuff, whereas Napster (the real bandwidth killer) was just an extra expense topped on budget cut after budget cut.

So who knows a hot deal on a personal T1 lease? :p

--Ed
 

Spac3d

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Originally posted by: DaiShan
My guess is someone is running a topsite off that nice fast 100mbit :) Those prices are through the roof heh, I thought my DSL prices were bad! :p
75gb over 5 days is a weak server to say the least.

 

CTho9305

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Originally posted by: Sensor
At Rutgers University <http://www.rutgers.edu>, we've had set bandwidth guidelines for two years now as the number of dorm rooms connected to the network was increased. With some-odd 50,000 students, I can only assume the bandwidth costs are astronomical.

Rutgers uses an automated tool that tracks your bandwidth usage each day. If the sum of the previous week's download is greater than 2GB or upload is greater than 500MB, you get shut off until the total bandwidth usage drops below the 2GB/500MB limit.

A university somewhere in the south-central has a great system, in my opinion, that when you surpass a designated bandwidth limit the firewalls kick you back to 64kbit/s up and down. This way, even if you go past your limit you'll still have internet access and can't call in to complain.

As much as I miss my free bandwidth and running Counter-Strike servers out of my room, I can understand where the Universities are coming from. Researchers, professors, and whoever else still need to use that bandwidth for relatively-important stuff, whereas Napster (the real bandwidth killer) was just an extra expense topped on budget cut after budget cut.

So who knows a hot deal on a personal T1 lease? :p

--Ed

Apparently CMU doesn't have the resources to do per-IP limiting... or so they've said in the past.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: CTho9305
Apparently CMU doesn't have the resources to do per-IP limiting... or so they've said in the past.
There is something with computers that CMU can't do? I don't buy that for a second. ;)

ZV
 

hdeck

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UT gives you 3 gb total bandwidth a week if you live on campus. and i think you have to pay $8/month to use it. at least i had to when i lived in a dorm.
 

ed21x

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yes... berkeley has, and greatly advertises its 100 mbps t3 line... they just fail to mention that it's shared among 800 computers :disgust:
 

CTho9305

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Originally posted by: ed21x
yes... berkeley has, and greatly advertises its 100 mbps t3 line... they just fail to mention that it's shared among 800 computers :disgust:

a T3 is less than 100Mbps (28*1.54 = ~43Mbps), and 800 users is not a lot for a university.
 

kami

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Well that connection is certainly a lot better than what my school has... a fricken T1 is shared between 800 residents. It's so bad that I had to go get cable internet in my dorm.
 

CTho9305

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Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
do the universities count NET traffic or outbound/inbound INTERNET traffic?

That info is for data only going to the internet. On the LAN we don't appear to have any problems.
 

toant103

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we can only download 650MB/day at Tech. If we surpassed that, they declock us back to dsl for the first offense,
if you exceed that again, they declock back to 56k

Va Tech
 

Evadman

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A GB a day upload? I am so glad you are not complaining. I would smack you. :) Notice download limits are not imposed :)
 

AsianriceX

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Here at UIUC, they use a moving 24 hour window and as you hit certain limits, like if you do 600MB total transfer during that timeframe, you get a class A rate limit that bumps you down to 128kbps. Go further and you go down even more. I remember that before they started the moving window, everyone was using Kazaa and the network was saturated beyond belief.
 

Sukhoi

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Originally posted by: toant103
we can only download 650MB/day at Tech. If we surpassed that, they declock us back to dsl for the first offense,
if you exceed that again, they declock back to 56k

Va Tech

Almost exactly the same here at Illinois. It's not really that bad unless I'm DLing a lot of porn.
 

Evadman

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I was unthrottled @ ISU. Hosting servers on my 2 systems, and my roomates system was fun. :)
 

MeanMeosh

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i once met the guy who was single handedly responsible for the bandwidth cap on all UT-Austin resources (dorms and such). it was 4 gigs / week down while i was in the dorms, dunno if it is less now.

he used up like 20% of the dorm resources when he was in the dorms :Q