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Well, what's the use of shifting CPUs to CPDN, which will only tell you what you will get to know in 50 years anyway? I'd say you should rather start saving energy, recycling, driving a car with high gas mileage, and and and. All these things heve been known for such a long time but still so many !$&%*# don't give a $%&*# about the environment. :| So running CPDN is kinda useless in my opinion, 'cause the energy you use to crunch those models also adds to the global (as all DC projects do).

Nevertheless, nice find! :beer:
 
I have to agree with BMC - too little too late to run as a service and expect to make a difference. Besides running fleets of PC's on DC projects at full throttle isn't exactly helping to limit the consumption of energy. Anyone who argues can send me a check for last months electric bill 😉
 
The scientists just now figured that out? How much more obvious can it get... when I was a kid all the roads leading outta my town would be closed in the first week of September by about 5 feet of snow... right now it finally froze during the day just a couple days before Halloween. All the roads are still open... well short of one that got severe flood damage. Right now we have about a ½ inch of snow on the ground.
 
Originally posted by: MEDISIN
I have to agree with BMC - too little too late to run as a service and expect to make a difference. Besides running fleets of PC's on DC projects at full throttle isn't exactly helping to limit the consumption of energy. Anyone who argues can send me a check for last months electric bill 😉
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well ask him to pay my bills too. 🙂

Originally posted by: BlackMountainCowWell, what's the use of shifting CPUs to CPDN, which will only tell you what you will get to know in 50 years anyway? I'd say you should rather start saving energy, recycling, driving a car with high gas mileage, and and and. All these things heve been known for such a long time but still so many !$&%*# don't give a $%&*# about the environment. So running CPDN is kinda useless in my opinion, 'cause the energy you use to crunch those models also adds to the global (as all DC projects do).
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hey it was just an suggestion!!
i agree with both u guys.
i actually thought before typing the posts.but i was worried as the new model predicts that the changes already started,as opposed to earlier claims.
i wonder with supercomputers like the nec earth simulator running for predicting the weather,why dont they realise that those beasts need a hell of a power consumption.
well i guess atleast a small amount of us can be careful about not wasting electricity??
but stopping the dc projects all in all is a bit extreme!!!
the problem is todays consumerism, the more we buy, the more they produce, the more we need.
its a vicious cycle!!!
thanks all for your opinions
:| to all who dont care!!!
 
I heard about the artic ice shrinkage on the news the other day ,not good🙁

Though burning fossil fuels certainly adds significantly to global warming (how can it not!?) its funny how they often fail to mention that there's also a natural cycle of global warming going on too (& no this isn't big oil firms propaganda😛) ,afraid I can't remember what the interval is atm😱 ,but one such cycle caused(+ other factors) a large lake to dry up in Egypt ~2500BC & the Ancient Egyption civilisation finsihed soon after.That's from a program investigating why the Ancient Egyption civilisation finsihed.Inccidently the proof of global change came from artic ice core samples & core samples of the dried up lake.

Anyhow it worked out that a new 'warm period' would start about 1900 AD & finish about 2100+AD.
IF I recall rightly I think the interval is 1300yrs with a span of about 200-250yrs.
This cycle has been going on for thousands of years ,wierd how both sides of the argument fail to mention this😕 ,there only ever seems to be 2 camps on the global warming issue ,1 side saying its all down to man burning fossil fuels ,the other saying its purely natural ,with the evidence mentioned earlier you'd think they'd be a 3rd camp saying its 50/50:roll: (or there abouts😛)

I'll see if I can dig up more info about that cycle if anyones interested
 
WoW! Not good at all! :Q Nobody will do anything till it's to late!

Thanx for the interesting read theinsen1! 😉
 
Got to agree with Assimilator1 here, I read the same facts about that. But then again, if you prmote these fact, car and oil companies can argue that it's not their fault. Anyway, in some 50 years we gonna see what happens anyway, and when the last bit of oil is depleted, we will have to think different, no way around that.
 
I don't care if the burning of fossil fuels is causing global warming or not. I don't need a science degree to see that it causes pollution. We, especially those of us in the US, need to get our act together and start driving cars that get decent gas mileage instead of driving 3 ton SUV's that have MPG ratings in the low teens. I live in FL and it seems like every 3rd car is an SUV. There's just no reason for it. It doesn't take Hummer, Avalanche, Expedition, etc to pick up groceries or drop the kids at school. And sadly it appears the trend isn't going to change. It seems like every other car commercial boasts how much horsepower a car has. V10 this and Hemi that. Yeah, that's the answer...

I do a lot of driving because of my job and even so I hope gas prices stay high. Maybe if people get sick of paying $50 to fill the tank they'll dump the big heavy vehicles for something that gets better mileage.
 
No need to dig it up Assimilator1. I read about it in some natural history book. Soil and Artic/Antartic sampling has shown many times in the past 90­ degree sustained temperature differences (both +/-). In some extreme's... as much as 200 degrees for a couple years (again +/-)... how that did not start a global fire or freeze... I do not know.

But I like the warmer temps overall... I am just saying the scientist's just now figured it out 😛
 
If Hollywood has taught us anything, it's that within a few weeks the entire northern hemisphere will be covered in 100' of snow and the only safe place will be a public library in New York. (If you don't know what I'm talking about then just be happy you haven't wasted 2hrs of your life finding out 😛).

On the serious side, I'll agree with both Assim and Robor. Whether or not pollution is causing global warming, there are too many alarmists. I think there are potentially too many other factors that we don't know enough about. But of course, that doesn't mean pollution is good or that it is necessarily not a cause of warming. The alarmism is good insofar as it fights pollution.
 
yes, dear - the sky is falling 😉

I for one find the eccentrics in both directions to be greatly amusing.
We live on a very large planet, we are very small beings.

Rotting flora & fauna in the wild accounts for a large amount of "greenhouse gases".
Without any "greenhouse gases" where would we be? (brrrr)

One Mt St Helens 1980 event dwarfs everything we humans have ever put into the atmosphere, I watched it happen and believe me when I say it's an awesome thing.

Oceanic volcanoes put a lot of stuff into our planet's habitat and you almost never hear anything about them. If we have a sustained period of volcanic activity you are going to see a planetary climate shift - it's happened before and will happen again. If the caldera that is Yellowstone park erupts again a great deal of the USA will go with it, all up into the atmosphere.

If (when) we get hit by another asteroid you will definitely see (assuming you live through it) a dramatic climate change.

Saying all this does not mean I believe we should do nothing about our problems, I want clean air and water more than the next guy. I'm just not going to freak out about it to the point of neglecting everything else. 😉

Want an education about the environment?
Travel.
Go to Asia, go to Africa, go to South America, go to Alaska, go to ... etc.. - see the world & all that's in it.
Then you should have a better basis for your ideas and opinions.

Do large vehicles have a place? Of course they do. I have a family of eight, for us all to go somewhere we either need one large vehicle or many small ones. What's better for the environment, one big vehicle or several small ones? People need to think, not just presume. I agree taking a monster vehicle to work every day with only one occupant is silly, having a commuter car - even a hybrid would be the way to go.

It's important to use resources wisely, that's the key.

Just my $.02 - for what it's worth.
 
I still don't understand this whole global warming bit, this has been the coolest 2 years I've ever heard of. (my great grandmother is 88 yrs old and say'd she's never been through a more cold year than this one.)

average daily summer temp is usually around 100-105F here, this year it was closer to 85-90F. Current weather is usually ~50-55F lows. and 85 highs, this year is crazy, tomorrow it'll be near 40 lows with a high of 60, and it'll be continuosly cooler all week long.

my personal opinion is that the major weather patterns change constantly, and with a majority of our weather measurement stations being based on airports (which are barraged more and more each year with hotter and hotter jet engines on longer thicker concrete runways) that the global warming bit is simply a false claim. (I'm not educated on weather much, this is just how I see it)
 
Well, lobadobadingdong, some models say, that the global warming will end in a complete change of today's climate zones. So basically, you gonna grow the world's crops in the Sahara desert and while wet countries like Brazil will become prairies. So that it gets colder for you, is perfectly normal according to those models.
 
I believe we have sufficient processing power to build an accurate weather model.


Unfortunately IMHO what we do not have is sufficient data or a coherant vision, until all necessary types of input are determined and added into the soup it will be flawed - and they really don't have a clue what is still missing - again, IMHO of course.

Historical weather patterns, volcanic activity, ocean salinity, absorption rate of CO2 by oceans and forests, etc etc etc...
It is a monumental system to architect, and it's clear they are not very close to "getting it right" yet.

I believe there are things yet to be discovered, and way more urgent things to focus on.

For instance, getting the lead out of gasoline was a great move. Has it been done worldwide?

There are ways to make diesel so it's exhaust is cleaner and less carcinogenic, this should be encouraged.
How to encourage? What Bill Clinton said to the Japanese (I paraphrase): "cut taxes to encourage growth". Easily done: next time they raise taxes just don't raise them on the "clean" fuels. Let the marketplace adopt the better products by "normal" economic decision making processes.
If cleaner diesel cost less than "dirty" diesel then the people buying diesel would immediately start using it. What's the cost? Less tax taken at the pump. (don't get me started on the subject of fuel taxes, when you find out that $1.50 of each $2.00 you pay for a gallon of gas pays some kind of tax between the drill & the pump you might just start to wonder about this system like I do). :evil:
 
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
I still don't understand this whole global warming bit, this has been the coolest 2 years I've ever heard of. (my great grandmother is 88 yrs old and say'd she's never been through a more cold year than this one.)

average daily summer temp is usually around 100-105F here, this year it was closer to 85-90F. Current weather is usually ~50-55F lows. and 85 highs, this year is crazy, tomorrow it'll be near 40 lows with a high of 60, and it'll be continuosly cooler all week long.

my personal opinion is that the major weather patterns change constantly, and with a majority of our weather measurement stations being based on airports (which are barraged more and more each year with hotter and hotter jet engines on longer thicker concrete runways) that the global warming bit is simply a false claim. (I'm not educated on weather much, this is just how I see it)
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I'm sure their are many weather stations away from airports.
It maybe cooler where you are but here in the UK we haven't had a truly cold winter in well over 10 yrs (as in snow that hangs around for some weeks) ,also we had record high temperatures in summer of 2003 as did much of Europe.At Heathrow airport it hit 38C ,here (about 20miles south) it hit about 36C ,too hot!😛

But anyway,altered weather patterns can make some places cooler & make others hotter ,this summer its been wetter than usual🙁

Wiz
There are ways to make diesel so it's exhaust is cleaner and less carcinogenic, this should be encouraged.

Thankfully this is something that's been happening for about 5yrs+ & is still going on ,diesel emissions have been reduced by switching from mechanical Injection controlled pumps to electrical,Injection pressures have also gone much higher(these 2 have also boosted power & torque,& drastically reduced diesel clatter too🙂) ,2way catylists have been fitted to them for some time too.Variable geometry turbos are beggining to be used too.
Next things they are talking about are 3 way cats,low sulphur diesel & particulate filters on the exhaust.

Btw the lattest BMW 320iTD does 150bhp🙂

kamper
lol ,not yet seen that film😛😉

 
Assim1,
Btw the lattest BMW 320iTD does 150bhp
heh, so does my 1969 MGCGT ... man that thing is fun to drive - when it's running 😛

We really need to think about weather in terms of more than periods of a few years at a time.
There have been great fluctuations over the centuries, there are fluctuations now.
There are things that happen on this planet that may only happen once every 10,000 years or more - like the switching of the magnetic field (something they also warn is in the works right now). We have no idea how these things will effect the weather because there are no written hitory of the last time it happened.
I'm sure that if the magnetic field of this planet switched polarity we would all notice. I don't think it's going to be "a good thing".
 
Nope! ,but how many things can we worry about?😉 ,lets keep our eye on the global warming/fossil fuel issue 1st.

Btw what engine size is your MGC?
 
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