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zinfamous

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Nature created by God. Nothing (even the most vile thing) has been created in vain. There's a purpose for everything and only through His infinite wisdom did this creature come to life over millions of years of evolution (coz that time is nothing for Him) and there is some good to be had from it that scientists may or may not have discovered. Point is, it's not really cells or creatures reacting to their environment. It's the Will of God. Just wanted to inform you so I won't be getting into an argument with you. Thanks for reading.

well that's the dumbest fucking dumbshit thing I've read in years.

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zinfamous

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Evolution can be in tens of thousands of years or less in response to more mundane things. Disease, changes in food supply.

The Black Plague did "select" those with better survival against the disease, with the tradeoff of susceptibility to autoimmune diseases.

Asians have less subcutaneous fat capacity than Western counterparts. Which to me suggest that upon settling and becoming rice and/or wheat addicts, there was an initial wave of fat people who could not get laid and thus did not propagate their genes.

Indeed. Certain epigenetic effects that we now sort of understand can lead to individual changes in a single generation, that even effect entire populations (kids growing up during the Great Depression/any sort of period of famine and scarcity produced the next generation that exhibited an unusual resilience to similar life stresses, but it does take 10 of thousands, if not millions for those sort of traits to establish themselves in the germline, if that ever happens.

Rarely, some jumps do indeed happen quickly, usually as the result of stark environmental changes sort of "choosing" which critters will survive.

Your argument about Asian fat is...silly, however: for one thing--increased weight is a sign of prosperity and the ability to find food. If anything, Asians would be fat as fuck because that is a much more favorable trait in the earlier eons of human evolution. ....but Asians and populations descended from Asia (current Native Americans, e.g.), are more sensitive to alcohol because they have a higher prevalance of only one copy of the gene that makes ADH (alcohol dehydrogenase) --the enzyme that metabolizes alcohol. There is a reason that Asians developed Tea and their "safe" drink in a world of usually tainted water, and the western world turned toward fermentation and heavy alcoholic drinks (usually with hops). Also...that heavy rice diet actually makes Asians "as fat" if not way fatter in terms of actual health than comparative westerners. Heavy rice diet is absolutely horrible for you.

One thing is irrefutable however: no omniscient being made any of this stuff happen--seriously, what would be the point?
 
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Or an ever-present supply of high protein seafood and high carbohydrate count resulted in greater food and overall energy security.
The geographic area of "East Asia" is very large and should have been settled West to East. Seafood would be a premium for a select few.

Being physically Cantonese, there maybe more microevolutions that influenced psychological tendencies.
Indeed. Certain epigenetic effects that we now sort of understand can lead to individual changes in a single generation, that even effect entire populations (kids growing up during the Great Depression/any sort of period of famine and scarcity produced the next generation that exhibited an unusual resilience to similar life stresses, but it does take 10 of thousands, if not millions for those sort of traits to establish themselves in the germline, if that ever happens.

Rarely, some jumps do indeed happen quickly, usually as the result of stark environmental changes sort of "choosing" which critters will survive.

Your argument about Asian fat is...silly, however: for one thing--increased weight is a sign of prosperity and the ability to find food. If anything, Asians would be fat as fuck because that is a much more favorable trait in the earlier eons of human evolution. ....but Asians and populations descended from Asia (current Native Americans, e.g.), are more sensitive to alcohol because they have a higher prevalance of only one copy of the gene that makes ADH (alcohol dehydrogenase) --the enzyme that metabolizes alcohol. There is a reason that Asians developed Tea and their "safe" drink in a world of usually tainted water, and the western world turned toward fermentation and heavy alcoholic drinks (usually with hops). Also...that heavy rice diet actually makes Asians "as fat" if not way fatter in terms of actual health than comparative westerners. Heavy rice diet is absolutely horrible for you.

One thing is irrefutable however: no omniscient being made any of this stuff happen--seriously, what would be the point?
It is very recognized that Asians are diabetic at a lower BMI(23 BMI is needed for Asians to become eligible for Medicare's Diabetes Prevention program and 25 BMI for everyone else). And there are plenty of studies showing the greater and sooner accumulation of liver, visceral fat at equivalent BMIs when comparing Asians to whites.

Meaning what was hot then was very anti fat unlike locales like Nigeria or the West. A fat belly was somehow more tolerable than a fat face.

Asians will eat the same fattening foods as whites. Heck, rice is basically worshipped and there's also a severe "conversation" culture in which not single piece is to be left uneatened.

Ultimately, Asians get diabetic before getting fat, if they ever reach the point of fat, which many don't.
 
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Ultimately, Asians get diabetic before getting fat, if they ever reach the point of fat, which many don't.
Gotta agree with that. Coz their bodies can't tolerate fatty droplets floating around in their blood. It's the reason some researchers have suggested that T2D is more a fat intolerance than a glucose intolerance.
 
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Heavy rice diet is absolutely horrible for you.
Not my experience, especially if you eat rice alone or with minimum added ingredients (the purpose of which is solely to make it more palatable). Last night I ate 15 or 16 lychees, followed by finishing almost three fourths of roughly 550g Afghani rice (with sweetened carrot pieces and raisins as well as animal fat without which Afghani rice isn't really Afghani rice). Granted, I did take Phase 2 carb controller capsules roughly two hours before eating. But in the morning, I had to wear my belt pretty tight around my pants with waist size 32 inches, because there was hardly any fat buildup in my sides.

Before more people go ahead and vilify rice, here's something to try: eat only fruits and boiled rice with no restriction on portion size for a week (no dairy, no animal meat, no animal fat, no other starches) and see how much fat they gain. They will actually be surprised to see that they start losing fat rapidly from the third day onwards.
 
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You have two sets of humans. One is stronger, richer, more intelligent, a bit more arrogant. They build the world. Advance technology and living conditions. The arrogance stemming from being able to do so much without any praying makes them refute the existence of God. They think everything good they have available is because they worked for it and made it happen for themselves. So obviously they have no one to be grateful to for the good things in their lives. They just want more and more. Greed fuels their soul.

Then there is the weaker, dumber people. They hardly scrape by. Work their asses off in menial jobs to have food to eat at the end of the day and somewhere to sleep, even if there are leaks in the ceiling. Their only hope is God. A being they have trust in. They trust that He will make their life better sooner or later. They are grateful for the smallest good things when they happen to them.

Now suppose God has made things so that the more you believe in Him, the more life gets harder for you to test your patience and your spirit. To test your faith. Want an easier life? Don't believe in God and the entire world becomes your oyster. With no limits to stop you, you can do everything and accomplish anything. You are limited only by your imagination. It's easier to see why these people would become the first set of humans.

So when this Universe comes to an end and there is a Day of Judgement, would these two sets of people be judged the same way? One had everything and disbelieved and even refused to acknowledge God's existence. The other had barely anything in comparison but still clung to their staunch belief in God's existence, remembering Him in everything they did, before everything they did and after everything they did. Which set of people is God going to be lenient towards? Who would be more deserving of His mercy on that Day?

Heck, I'm not even a learned theologian. I just like to dabble in a little bit of everything. Imagine the arguments presented by a real theologian. There's a reason there are whole books on the topic. And the question why make things so complicated? Well, He is God, after all. He has the final say. Us mere mortals can't even begin to argue with Him and His Will. He does what He wants and He sets the rules of the game and we have to play by His rules. Else it's Hell for us, along with Satan who disobeyed Him. That's just the way things are. Someone can choose to ignore all this and live a blissfully ignorant life full of joy and fulfillment and contentment and have nary a worry, being pleased with themselves that they did the very best with what they had. That is, until they wake up after death and find out they were very, very wrong about EVERYTHING. By then, it will be too late.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Not my experience, especially if you eat rice alone or with minimum added ingredients (the purpose of which is solely to make it more palatable). Last night I ate 15 or 16 lychees, followed by finishing almost three fourths of roughly 550g Afghani rice (with sweetened carrot pieces and raisins as well as animal fat without which Afghani rice isn't really Afghani rice). Granted, I did take Phase 2 carb controller capsules roughly two hours before eating. But in the morning, I had to wear my belt pretty tight around my pants with waist size 32 inches, because there was hardly any fat buildup in my sides.

Before more people go ahead and vilify rice, here's something to try: eat only fruits and boiled rice with no restriction on portion size for a week (no dairy, no animal meat, no animal fat, no other starches) and see how much fat they gain. They will actually be surprised to see that they start losing fat rapidly from the third day onwards.
Erm, you don't lose fat overnight like that. You had to wear your belt tight because you ate a shitload of carbs for dinner which cleared out of your stomach and intestines by morning. Fats and proteins take longer to digest and stick with you through the night (depending on when you eat).
 
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your body needs fats and proteins
Every body is different. I was T2Diabetic from 2017 to about 2021. Survived on plant based diet and carb blockers and Berberine without using metformin (coz the damn doctors wouldn't prescribe that to me. Obviously because it's generic and they wanted to put me on some expensive stuff that basically makes the pancreatic beta cells work harder and burns them out faster and I said F that).

I'm 43 and don't need too much protein since I don't exercise much and fat is bad for me due to my genetic defect of metabolic syndrome. The last few times I've gotten checked, my hbA1C has been within normal range.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Every body is different. I was T2Diabetic from 2017 to about 2021. Survived on plant based diet and carb blockers and Berberine without using metformin (coz the damn doctors wouldn't prescribe that to me. Obviously because it's generic and they wanted to put me on some expensive stuff that basically makes the pancreatic beta cells work harder and burns them out faster and I said F that).

I'm 43 and don't need too much protein since I don't exercise much and fat is bad for me due to my genetic defect of metabolic syndrome. The last few times I've gotten checked, my hbA1C has been within normal range.
Alright, well, if you're not working out or eating protein, you get to look forward to muscle atrophy over the next decade or two, cognitive decline from a lack of fat intake, and probably insulin resistance from a diet of primarily carbohydrates.

Just keep an eye on things, all I'm saying.
 
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WilliamM2

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You have two sets of humans. One is stronger, richer, more intelligent, a bit more arrogant. They build the world. Advance technology and living conditions. The arrogance stemming from being able to do so much without any praying makes them refute the existence of God. They think everything good they have available is because they worked for it and made it happen for themselves. So obviously they have no one to be grateful to for the good things in their lives. They just want more and more. Greed fuels their soul.

Then there is the weaker, dumber people. They hardly scrape by. Work their asses off in menial jobs to have food to eat at the end of the day and somewhere to sleep, even if there are leaks in the ceiling. Their only hope is God. A being they have trust in. They trust that He will make their life better sooner or later. They are grateful for the smallest good things when they happen to them.

Now suppose God has made things so that the more you believe in Him, the more life gets harder for you to test your patience and your spirit. To test your faith. Want an easier life? Don't believe in God and the entire world becomes your oyster. With no limits to stop you, you can do everything and accomplish anything. You are limited only by your imagination. It's easier to see why these people would become the first set of humans.

So when this Universe comes to an end and there is a Day of Judgement, would these two sets of people be judged the same way? One had everything and disbelieved and even refused to acknowledge God's existence. The other had barely anything in comparison but still clung to their staunch belief in God's existence, remembering Him in everything they did, before everything they did and after everything they did. Which set of people is God going to be lenient towards? Who would be more deserving of His mercy on that Day?

Heck, I'm not even a learned theologian. I just like to dabble in a little bit of everything. Imagine the arguments presented by a real theologian. There's a reason there are whole books on the topic. And the question why make things so complicated? Well, He is God, after all. He has the final say. Us mere mortals can't even begin to argue with Him and His Will. He does what He wants and He sets the rules of the game and we have to play by His rules. Else it's Hell for us, along with Satan who disobeyed Him. That's just the way things are. Someone can choose to ignore all this and live a blissfully ignorant life full of joy and fulfillment and contentment and have nary a worry, being pleased with themselves that they did the very best with what they had. That is, until they wake up after death and find out they were very, very wrong about EVERYTHING. By then, it will be too late.

What a cruel god. You can keep him.
 
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Torn Mind

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Gotta agree with that. Coz their bodies can't tolerate fatty droplets floating around in their blood. It's the reason some researchers have suggested that T2D is more a fat intolerance than a glucose intolerance.
T2Diabetes is a homeostasis survival mechanism against excess, unused glucose.

I had low triglycerides despite high total cholesterol bloods.
 
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I had low triglycerides despite high total cholesterol bloods.
That's why you didn't get T2D. Eat a lot of supermarket foods containing maltodextrin or high fructose corn syrup and see your triglyceride levels shoot through the roof. That's the easiest way to get T2D.


Maltodextrin(GI=110) is an artificial carbohydrate made from starch. It has an exceptionally high GI that ranges from 85 to 135.
 
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You have two sets of humans. One is stronger, richer, more intelligent, a bit more arrogant. They build the world. Advance technology and living conditions. The arrogance stemming from being able to do so much without any praying makes them refute the existence of God. They think everything good they have available is because they worked for it and made it happen for themselves. So obviously they have no one to be grateful to for the good things in their lives. They just want more and more. Greed fuels their soul.

Then there is the weaker, dumber people. They hardly scrape by. Work their asses off in menial jobs to have food to eat at the end of the day and somewhere to sleep, even if there are leaks in the ceiling. Their only hope is God. A being they have trust in. They trust that He will make their life better sooner or later. They are grateful for the smallest good things when they happen to them.

Now suppose God has made things so that the more you believe in Him, the more life gets harder for you to test your patience and your spirit. To test your faith. Want an easier life? Don't believe in God and the entire world becomes your oyster. With no limits to stop you, you can do everything and accomplish anything. You are limited only by your imagination. It's easier to see why these people would become the first set of humans.

So when this Universe comes to an end and there is a Day of Judgement, would these two sets of people be judged the same way? One had everything and disbelieved and even refused to acknowledge God's existence. The other had barely anything in comparison but still clung to their staunch belief in God's existence, remembering Him in everything they did, before everything they did and after everything they did. Which set of people is God going to be lenient towards? Who would be more deserving of His mercy on that Day?

Heck, I'm not even a learned theologian. I just like to dabble in a little bit of everything. Imagine the arguments presented by a real theologian. There's a reason there are whole books on the topic. And the question why make things so complicated? Well, He is God, after all. He has the final say. Us mere mortals can't even begin to argue with Him and His Will. He does what He wants and He sets the rules of the game and we have to play by His rules. Else it's Hell for us, along with Satan who disobeyed Him. That's just the way things are. Someone can choose to ignore all this and live a blissfully ignorant life full of joy and fulfillment and contentment and have nary a worry, being pleased with themselves that they did the very best with what they had. That is, until they wake up after death and find out they were very, very wrong about EVERYTHING. By then, it will be too late.
Your words are weird.
 

IronWing

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You have two sets of humans. One is stronger, richer, more intelligent, a bit more arrogant. They build the world. Advance technology and living conditions. The arrogance stemming from being able to do so much without any praying makes them refute the existence of God. They think everything good they have available is because they worked for it and made it happen for themselves. So obviously they have no one to be grateful to for the good things in their lives. They just want more and more. Greed fuels their soul.

Then there is the weaker, dumber people. They hardly scrape by. Work their asses off in menial jobs to have food to eat at the end of the day and somewhere to sleep, even if there are leaks in the ceiling. Their only hope is God. A being they have trust in. They trust that He will make their life better sooner or later. They are grateful for the smallest good things when they happen to them.

Now suppose God has made things so that the more you believe in Him, the more life gets harder for you to test your patience and your spirit. To test your faith. Want an easier life? Don't believe in God and the entire world becomes your oyster. With no limits to stop you, you can do everything and accomplish anything. You are limited only by your imagination. It's easier to see why these people would become the first set of humans.

So when this Universe comes to an end and there is a Day of Judgement, would these two sets of people be judged the same way? One had everything and disbelieved and even refused to acknowledge God's existence. The other had barely anything in comparison but still clung to their staunch belief in God's existence, remembering Him in everything they did, before everything they did and after everything they did. Which set of people is God going to be lenient towards? Who would be more deserving of His mercy on that Day?

Heck, I'm not even a learned theologian. I just like to dabble in a little bit of everything. Imagine the arguments presented by a real theologian. There's a reason there are whole books on the topic. And the question why make things so complicated? Well, He is God, after all. He has the final say. Us mere mortals can't even begin to argue with Him and His Will. He does what He wants and He sets the rules of the game and we have to play by His rules. Else it's Hell for us, along with Satan who disobeyed Him. That's just the way things are. Someone can choose to ignore all this and live a blissfully ignorant life full of joy and fulfillment and contentment and have nary a worry, being pleased with themselves that they did the very best with what they had. That is, until they wake up after death and find out they were very, very wrong about EVERYTHING. By then, it will be too late.
Campus Crusade for Rand?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Assassination of psychopathic dictators leads to the freedom of their subjects and secures world peace.
Since when? If the power structures and support systems don't change, it just results in a vacuum that gets filled by a 1d20 despot that ranges between incompetent but cruel and genius but cruel. Spoiler: critical rolls are bad in both directions.