Some cheap $400 fun. EDIT 2 UT2003 added

[Zebo]

an elcheapo setup:
Shuttle AN35N $60
Buffalo PC3200 running 2-3-2-8 and 2.7 Volts 207Mhz FSB 512 MB $90
AMD mobile @ 2600Mhz@ 1.75Vcore $100
BFG 5900NU @476/968 $170-$20 FS of COD =$150

total was $400

18002 3dmock2001
6565 3dmock2003
51348 aquamark3
9860/4045 CPU marks
23555/23821 Cpu mulitmedia
256/96 for UT2003

Any other fun stuff to run? Can anything come close to this price/performance wise. Don't think so. AMD Mobiles kick ass.

 

[Algere]

Nice and AquaMark 3

 

[high]

how are people hitting 2.5, 2.6 at 1.63???? I am at 1.85 but also running 11.5x219

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

i think power supply has a lot to do with it, however i'm not up to speed on power consumption. anyone have any tips on what hardware uses the 5/12 volt rail? is it mainly just the mobo? what could i disconnect from my computer for testing purposes to see if my PS is holding me back with my OC?

edit: my mobo has a 12V P4 type mobo connector for the CPU

 

[Zebo]

I think it's PS too. One like an enermax which gives steady stable power seemed to make all the difference. Stepping has a factor of course.

This is our best chip so far but I have it in a passive watercooled system so I can't go any higher on Vcore or it will explode

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Once I take the WB off I will test it with the thermalright I'm using in the "elcheapo" setup above.

 

[Algere]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
i think power supply has a lot to do with it, however i'm not up to speed on power consumption. anyone have any tips on what hardware uses the 5/12 volt rail? is it mainly just the mobo? what could i disconnect from my computer for testing purposes to see if my PS is holding me back with my OC?



edit: my mobo has a 12V P4 type mobo connector for the CPU

The power plug that connects to a cd-rom or parallel ATA hard drive uses both 5 and 12 volts

 

[FPSguy]

Impressive. I wonder if you would do even better though with a $150 256 bit PowerColor Radeon 9800SE, soft-modded to open all 8 pipelines, and overclocked to 9800XT speeds using a $10 VGA Silencer from SVC.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: Algere


The power plug that connects to a cd-rom or parallel ATA hard drive uses both 5 and 12 volts

hmmm,i already knew that, however what about PCI and graphics cards,how much power would that use and would it effect 5v/12v rails? should i take a few out? how many watts would a GF 5200 ultra really use?

i have a raptor and 3 8 meg special edition hard drives, maybe those are taking too much juice

 

[Algere]

1.5 volts for AGP and 3.3/5 volts for PCI.

 

[Shimmishim]

I'll join in the fun!!!

except i have 9600XT so it'll be hard to compare...

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: Zebo
an elcheapo setup:
Shuttle AN35N $60
Buffalo PC3200 running 2-3-2 512 MB $90
AMD mobile @ 2600Mhz $100
5900NU $170-$20 FS of COD

total was $400

18002 3dmock2001
6565 3dmock2003
51348 aquamark3
9860/4045 CPU marks
23555/23821 Cpu mulitmedia

Any other fun stuff to run? Can anything come close to this price/performance wise. Don't think so. AMD Mobiles kick ass.

Good job! I love to see cheap systems that can rock with the big boys. Shows alot more computer savvy than dropping a bunch of bucks on top of the line parts. It doesn't take much knowledge to empty out your wallet to build an expensive system just to hit 18K in 3DMark2001.

I picked up a couple of Duron 1.4's (Applebred) that were "B" cores that overclocked pretty well, so I decided to see just how cheap I could get on a system for a decent medium gaming rig.

My to priorities where cheap and quiet..

Shuttle KT400 motherboard $29 (refurb newegg)
Duron 1.4 (Applebred) $35 (online no name vendor)
ATI Radeon 8500LE 128MB retail $59 (online no name vendor)
cheapo heatsink with 70mm fan (quiet) (newegg)
floppy drive $7
CDRW $10 (after Office Max rebate)
256 x 2 cheapo PC2700 $20 (after Office Max Rebate)
onboard lan (included)
decent sound card (included)
cheapo generic 400-watt case $18 (online no name vendor)
WD 40GB 7200rpm hard drive $20 (Office Max Rebate)
generic Lucent WinModem $10 (online no name vendor)

The biggest suprise was the ram, it is running 195MHz cas2 relaxed timings
cpu at stock core voltage (1.50v) 2048MHz (no multiplier or core voltage adjustments)
Radeon at 310/303

10,200 in 3DMark2001 for $215 complete.

I could have thrown in a newegg refurb 9600Pro for an extra $50 to get 14K, but this won't be used for
primary gaming.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's a screamer for the bank alright :beer: I'd like to see the UT2k3 demo bench scores since you are taking requests.

 

[ParatoOptimal]

Rogue 1979,
Where can I find a case with a 400W PS for $18?

Thanks

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: ParatoOptimal
Roogue 1979,

Where can I find a case with a 400W PS for $18?



Thanks

pricewatch.com

 

[Super56K]

I've got a nice budget pc I built up that i'm pleased with.

biostar m7ncd pro mobo- $63
sapphire 9600xt- $85
mobile 2400+ -$77
antec case- $75
512mb buffalo pc3200-$85
vantec aeroflow HSF-$29

total $414(all the other parts I got dirt cheap or free from rebates that i'd already had)and i've got my processor running at 12x202 @1.675vcore AIDA32 rates my cpu at like almost a 3600+. I only wish I'd had spent a few more bucks and got a better HSF. Oh well, my computer won't heat the room once the air conditioner is put in anyways. No biggie.

EDIT: I'm happy with my buffalo ram also, it runs best for me at 2-3-3-11. I wish i'd have bought 2 sticks though with ram prices how they are now. I figured they might go down a few bucks if I waited. Silly me.

 

[jpeyton]

Here's mine:

AXP 1800+ @ 2.3GHz (11.5X200; 1.675V) - $35
Gainward GF4 Ti4200 64MB - $51
Shuttle A35N Ultra - $38
Mushkin Basic 512MB PC3200 - $70
Thermalright ALX800 w/ Panaflo L1A - $15
Maxtor 160GB (7200RPM; 8MB) - $30
Fortron FSP350-60PN - $27
Kingwin KT-424 Black Aluminum ATX Case w/ Acrylic Window - $103 (the one component I splurged on)
Cyberdrive 8X DVD+RW - $70

$439

11,500 3DMark2001SE

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: ParatoOptimal
Rogue 1979,

Where can I find a case with a 400W PS for $18?



Thanks

I got it at www.surpluscomputers.com

It was $12 plus shipping, I don't see any now, but several places on pricewatch are advertising $18 shipped for 400-500watt cases.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: rogue1979

Originally posted by: Zebo
an elcheapo setup:
Shuttle AN35N $60
Buffalo PC3200 running 2-3-2 512 MB $90
AMD mobile @ 2600Mhz $100
5900NU $170-$20 FS of COD

total was $400

18002 3dmock2001
6565 3dmock2003
51348 aquamark3
9860/4045 CPU marks
23555/23821 Cpu mulitmedia

Any other fun stuff to run? Can anything come close to this price/performance wise. Don't think so. AMD Mobiles kick ass.

Good job! I love to see cheap systems that can rock with the big boys. Shows alot more computer savvy than dropping a bunch of bucks on top of the line parts. It doesn't take much knowledge to empty out your wallet to build an expensive system just to hit 18K in 3DMark2001.

I picked up a couple of Duron 1.4's (Applebred) that were "B" cores that overclocked pretty well, so I decided to see just how cheap I could get on a system for a decent medium gaming rig.

My to priorities where cheap and quiet..

Shuttle KT400 motherboard $29 (refurb newegg)
Duron 1.4 (Applebred) $35 (online no name vendor)
ATI Radeon 8500LE 128MB retail $59 (online no name vendor)
cheapo heatsink with 70mm fan (quiet) (newegg)
floppy drive $7
CDRW $10 (after Office Max rebate)
256 x 2 cheapo PC2700 $20 (after Office Max Rebate)
onboard lan (included)
decent sound card (included)
cheapo generic 400-watt case $18 (online no name vendor)
WD 40GB 7200rpm hard drive $20 (Office Max Rebate)
generic Lucent WinModem $10 (online no name vendor)

The biggest suprise was the ram, it is running 195MHz cas2 relaxed timings
cpu at stock core voltage (1.50v) 2048MHz (no multiplier or core voltage adjustments)
Radeon at 310/303

10,200 in 3DMark2001 for $215 complete.

I could have thrown in a newegg refurb 9600Pro for an extra $50 to get 14K, but this won't be used for
primary gaming.

Haha You are the grand champion of price/performance Durons are the most underrated/underreviewd chips out there!!!!

I tried to keep it to new, no rebate, one stop (the egg) shopping and available items though so all could enjoy. This is why I'm going to follow FPSguy's advice and try softmoding a 9800le or just OCing the powercolor 9800NP @$170 right now at the egg. 5900NU are no longer avial at this price says PM. The idea here is a reasonably high end although cheap parts OC'ed to the max to compete with the $600-800 setups from a64/p4. So never skimp on PSU rogue1979 of you will NOT achive cheap PC bliss.





DApunisher- do I need to own that game to do it? I will if you point me the right direction

super56k- I'm happy with my buffalo ram also, it runs best for me at 2-3-3-11.
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You should be happy it uses Winbond Ch-5 which is the second best LL out there right now and easily the best for the $. One thing I suggest for optimum timings is downloading memtest. Set to 2-3-3-11 and look at the memory speed on memtest load in the upper left of the screen write it down. Take notes, press esc, and repeat this for 6-11 t-ras. You should find on that board with that ram 8 is your best t-ras. this technique is the quick and easy way to find optimimum memory speeds and can also be repeated for all the other timings as well assuming stablity.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Demo download page Just install the demo and then go to the system folder in the UT2K3Demo folder and double click the benchmark icon then pick 10x7 for the res. It'll run the demo bench and give you the flyby and bot match scores when finished. BTW, what do you have that 5900 clocked@?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Demo download page Just install the demo and then go to the system folder in the UT2K3Demo folder and double click the benchmark icon then pick 10x7 for the res. It'll run the demo bench and give you the flyby and bot match scores when finished. BTW, what do you have that 5900 clocked@?

35% DLd brudda Th 5900 is 476/968 is all it can give. I would like to try upping the core.. is 1.6-7 safe?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Alright, where the heck are those UT scores Mr.?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Alright, where the heck are those UT scores Mr.?

They have been linked in his original post for about a day now.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

LMAO! That's what I get for checking in fuzzy eyed after a loooong night partying and sleeping till noon :laugh:

EDIT: that's a great score for a Barton in UT2k3 but confirms my own testing of a Barton vs a A64. The Barton is very competitive with a couple hundred extra mhz over the A64 for DC, scientific caculation stuff, and synthetics but still can't quite keep up for most gaming. Even with a 5800U and 200mhz disadvantage in clockspeed my scores are significantly higher in the UT2k3 demo bench 295/111

I'll be the first to say though that the gaming performance increase doesn't justify that I paid twice as much for the AN50R and twice as much for the 3000+ for a total of approx. $160-$170. I do take exception to the comment about being a sucker for buying an A64 system though when it's clear it's still faster than a Barton@2.6ghz for gaming and the $170 difference is chump change to me. Heck, I spent almost that much on dinner, drinks, and going to the movies last weekend

 

[Zebo]

That's my next build...when the price drops. I love Shuttle stuff...the AK31 I had was great and now this AN35N is rockin.

Anyway back to business, Right now, both overclocked, it's 110% more money for 20 and 10% more performance respectivly, in one game.....

Ehh sucker did I use that word? Need to be more diplomatic, even at work they tell me that. I appolgise. Spend your money as you wish, Just tring to maximize performace per dollar here and the moblie seems to do it. But I have nothing on rogue1979s for ~$200.

\Edit Do you have a link to your testing A64 vs barton? Love to see it

$170 difference is chump change to me. Heck, I spent almost that much on dinner, drinks, and going to the movies last weekend
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I spent that on gas for the boat last week but you don't hear me embarresing myself by bragging about it. Shoulda Listened to dad...flys, fusks or floats RENT IT!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm not certain it was you, but someone in one of those other threads said a fool and his money are soon parted in reference to people who spent extra on a A64 or P4c setup over a Barton Mobile. I just thought it was a bit elitest especially since the guys spending really sick amounts on prommies, FX&EE CPUs and such are pasting everyone but good in benchmarks. The price to performance ratio isn't as high but if they have the money to spend it doesn't make them foolish IMHO. Anywho, I can assure you the performance lead you see in UT2K3 that the A64 has will show up in other games that aren't largely GPU bound at this point too, A64 is the sh@t for gaming.

Here's the testing I did a while back link but I also didn't include much real gaming performance either My conclusion at the time was A64 was worth it for serious gamers who already had high end graphics cards and were looking for more performance, P4c for heavy media encoders, and Barton for those who wanted great performance on a tight budget *mobile Bartons just make it an even better alternative*. FX&EE are for those who have water and phase change and for whom this is the primary hobby=It's all good