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Heck do what I do Wingz.

Don't announce it in public!

While I guess I could do it here without taking any $hit for it, I have taken some back home, so these days, I just say Im a system engineer or something along those lines.

Not telling wvereyone where you work isn't the same as being ashamed of it, it's merely being smart in some cases.
 
But when I didn't have it in my sig, I was accused of trying to hide the fact.

With the major AMD zealots, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

Go figure.
 
FWIW, it's against Intel company policy to publicly post online on issues relating to the computer industry without revealing that one is employed by Intel and publicly stating that one is not acting as a representative of the company. Intel employees are required, as part of being employed, to put that silly "not speaking for..." message in our sigs online. There's one very good historical reason for this policy that dates back to a specific issue that occured online in late 1994. I know Intel employees who ignore this rule, but the majority of Intel employees who I see posting online publicly on computing issues follow the terms of our employment and disclose who they work for.
 
Wingz, seriously, why do you really care?

Anyone around here who really matters will be smart enough to know that your employer doesn't matter.

The poeple who keep attacking you and Patrick, etc, are IMO morons, who cares about them?
[edit]Sorry 😱]/edit]
You've both expressed great interest in mobo's based on the P4X266, that if anything should prove to any half decently intelligent human that you're not some kind of Intel robots.

Fsck 'em all I say(not to be taken literally).
 
An onboard memory controller was one of the things i would actually hoping we would see with the Northwood, though i guess that is unlikely now.

 
Wing,

Actually, when I mentioned something about you using your real name I was trying to protect you...

As far as arguing, well, as you might know, Engineers love to argue...

I will try to activate something...if you would like to chat or at least activate you on another forum.



Mac
 


<< The people who keep attacking you and Paul, etc, are IMO morons, who cares about them? You've both expressed great interest in mobo's based on the P4X266, that if anything should prove to any half decently intelligent human that you're not some kind of Intel robots. >>

Gee, thanks... I think. Am I Paul? 🙂

Patrick Mahoney
Microprocessor Design
Intel Corp.
 
PM,
RE:"FWIW, it's against Intel company policy to publicly post online on issues relating to the computer industry without revealing that one is employed by Intel and publicly stating that one is not acting as a representative of the company. Intel employees are required, as part of being employed, to put that silly "not speaking for..." message in our sigs online. There's one very good historical reason for this policy that dates back to a specific issue that occured online in late 1994. I know Intel employees who ignore this rule, but the majority of Intel employees who I see posting online publicly on computing issues follow the terms of our employment and disclose who they work for."

Humm...I know a couple of Intel employees who even used that "my opinion, not Intels" and caught h@ll from Intel about it. They used their real names.
I know of another who's posts were so fowl that his own co-workers at Intel turned him in to managenet and they pulled plug on the guy...they even e-mailed me stating that this guy wasn't speaking for Intel...

I know numerous Intel employees that post under assumed names and don't sign off with a disclaimer.
This seems to work ok for them. Then I've known a couple that thought it was best to stop.

I believe AMDs policy is no net posting about AMD by AMD employees. This stems from some very critical information about AMD being posted on some bulletin board about 5-6 years ago. Not this BB but a much larger one.
Actually I was contacted by AMD to help trace it down.

Wing seems like a VERY nice guy...but he has to make his own decisions whether to sign off as an Intel employee...
 
Well, of course, if you post something foolish, and someone gets upset about it, then yeah, you can catch hell for it no matter what disclaimer you use in your sig. This is true at any company, I would think.

I was dressed down by my manager for one online post, once long ago. I now pretend to have learned better.

In the long run it is in every high-tech company's best interest to have their employees online as long as they act like representatives of the company. Not spokespeople, but representatives.

I like to pretend that my presence online tends to make people think better of Intel. I like to think that when there's a mistake at Intel's website and people are making fun of it on here, and I write an email to them and copy my manager on it and they fix it, that this makes Intel and everyone else happy. I like to think that talking to people about possible careers at Intel makes them more likely to consider working there. And I do all this off work time - usually lunch or after work.

I have never flamed anyone on here - search through all my posts and you will never see me actually turn on the flamethrower no matter what someone says. I have never said a negative word about Intel's competition - and in general are very complementary towards them. And I have never come close to disclosing company secrets. Lastly, my manager and most of my co-workers know that I post on Anandtech, and I have twice received official recognition from Intel management (once from a Vice-President) for contributions that I have made online. I don't see what the problem is as long as you behave responsibly when posting. As long as you assume that your manager will read every post you make, then I find it hard to imagine why a company wouldn't think this was a good thing.

One of the nicer things about online forums is you can meet individuals of a company who can interact directly with their customers. I remember how nice it was to chat with Alf - formerly of 3Dfx - about that company on this BBS.

I honestly wish that employees of AMD would actively contribute online. It would be interesting to chat with them outside of the artificial atmosphere of a conference. I'm actually surprised that they have a rule against it. It doesn't make a lot of sense when you have employees interacting publicly with others at conferences.
 
I couldn't agree more, Paul. (errr... Patrick... Whatever your name is!)

With every post I make, I am very careful about what I say. I don't come close to divulging any confidential information. If anything, I probably could say more about a lot of things. If I am the slightest hesitant about it, I don't post it.

People at my work know I post here. I learn a lot from the people here, the articles here, and the links to articles that I find here. I like to think that my thoughts are insightful and that maybe someone else learns from what I post.

There is so much misinformation floating around the web, that the average schmuck (ERRR... AT member 😉) can't distinguish it from the truth. I appreciate it when someone like BenSkywalker clears up an issue regarding video cards. Or Sohcan clears up something regarding processor instructions. I like to think that I can clear up other aspects of processor fabrication. For instance this thread, that's all I tried to do. And even though it was in AMD's favor, I still get flack for it.

I get questions all the time about "How did you get your job?" I'm happy to answer that question, and explain my story about going from grease monkey to cleanroom (jeez, never thought about how far those are apart in the spectrum). I certainly wish that I knew someone that I could've asked that question to, several years ago.

I too, don't recall every saying any negative opinions about AMD. Actually... Some days, it seems as though pm and I are the least biased people here. You would think that it's kind of odd. But it's not really. Being in the industry, we have respect for others in the industry, no matter who they are employed by.

And I find it a little odd that another "engineer" wouldn't feel the same way about us.
 
"Wing seems like a VERY nice guy...but he has to make his own decisions whether to sign off as an Intel employee... "

Thank you.

And I have made my own decision. Now how about we drop it?
 


<< Gee, thanks... I think. Am I Paul? >>


Oupsie.. 😱
Remnants of the tech board at Aces and Paul DeMone I guess...
Sorta similar situation.
 
This is ridiculous, PM and Wingznut are in reality some of the most informative and valuable members of the AT forums and at the same time the least confrontational. Did some of you sign a contract to hate Intel and all of its employees when you bought that Tbird? It's infantile to hate these people for nothing. This is what caused PM to leave the forums last year, the ignorance and aggressiveness of AMD vs. Intel, and they are in an awkward position to actually be employed by the outnumbered side. Do you not realize the great resource we have in them posting here? Ever wanted some medical advice, wanted to talk to a mechanic about a noise in your car, a lawyer about a legal question? We have the equivalent of these in the computer field right here, and they out of their own kindness inform us with no strings attached. Don't drive the informative away, read their answers and learn about the topics at hand.
 
Thanks, Guilty! 🙂


"Did some of you sign a contract to hate Intel and all of its employees when you bought that Tbird?"

Oh man, that's classic sig material there! 🙂
 
To be honest, I think it's down to human nature. Why should AT members be any different.

One grows to hate/dislike one thing (here the most frequently hated I'd dare say are Intel and AMD). Most people (and I KNOW I'm going to get flack for this, but I'm being honest here) tend to be unable to differentiate between EMPLOYEES and CORPORATIONS.

So - Jo Sixpack might work for Rambus (another "popular" hate-corp) - as nice a guy as our imaginary friend may be, his corporation is not very popular - and many people will dislike him on grounds of working for RAMBUS. People != corporations. Yes, people may work for corporations, yes, there may be some robots among them (much like the normal spectrum of humans) - there are people who blindly believe what's being forced down their throat.

Others (and they've got it a lot harder - believe you me) keep asking questions & try to keep a healthy mix of trust/distrust to things. In the end - it's somewhat understandable that a corporation sends out propaganda to its own employees. Doesn't mean everybody likes propaganda.

What I'm trying to say is that I'm quite positive that there are a lot of people working here for major corporations (IBM/DELL/Intel/AMD and so on). For a good reason, they're not proclaiming it (i.e.: the unpleasant flack Wingz gets for instance). Wingz has decided to put a "I work for INTEL" sign under his posts.

If we'd all be reasonable, we'd merely take note of it & then continue talking to him instead of trying to flame him (or - respectively - other people/corporations). If someone had an "I WORK FOR AMD" signature, I'm sure some of the 200% Intel zealots would make themselves quite unpopular with him too.

Just because you PREFER X over Y, doesn't mean you have to follow X 200%. Keep your eyes open - the industry changes - all things have benefits & drawbacks. There's a greater balance to things. Make a choice for yourself what you prefer - but don't try to preach & force-feed it to others.

Sorry - I don't mean to be appearing to preach (I guess it'll seem hard after a post like this). The point is to try & be accepting. The point about technology is about keeping open minds. Would be nice if more of us could do that more easily ... 🙂

- Shathal.
 
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