Some advice concerning potential upgrade?

[Grakatt]

Deisday, good morning.

I am considering upgrading my old intrinsically unstable p3-800(@896) system. Since I'm a student, price is a high priority. Anyway, I've been looking at the Athlons 2000+, 2100+, and 2200+, (thoroughbred and palomino) as well as the non-northwood 2.1 and 2.2GHz P4's. Pricing is somewhat the same between AMD and Intel here, though P'4s at equal speeds are just slightly higher in price.
What I was thinking though, is that I don't know how big of a difference there is, performance-wise, between Northwoods and non-northwoods of equal MHz?

Are the P4's I mentioned above at about the same performance-lvl as the Athlons mentioned? Do these p4's overclock well? Are they even worth buying?

And the Athlons, which core oc's better, Palomino or Thoroughbred?

I'd like to use my computer for gaming, among other things. I just got so depressed when c&c generals was choppy with the initial screen of like 3 buildings and 2 vehicles..my Kyro2 was sweating blood

Thankful for any tips;
Grakatt

 

[Soulkeeper]

if you go the P4 route definately get a northwood, it kills the willamette

the amd route is far more appealing if you wanna save a few bucks and get a great overclock tho
you can pick up a 1700+ t-bred b for about 50 bucks and it will oc to atleast 2800+ speeds with good cooling (recommend slk-800 or slk-900)
matched with an nforce2 or kt400 based board and you've got a killer system
the Thoroughbred is much better than the palomino especially if you want to overclock

 

[Grakatt]

Oh?
Hm, thanks for your advice.
I wonder though; I read somewhere that the thoroughbreds weren't very good oc'ers thanks to their small architecture? Might still be better generally than the Palominos though, I suppose. Or are there 2 versions of the Thoroughbreds? (Sounds so like inbred to me )

Don't bother with the price checks though, prices are different here in scandinavia
I prolly won't get an nforce board 'cause I don't like nvidia and I won't be getting a GF, so which chipsets/boards are good for more modern Radeons?

Thanks again!

 

[Shimmishim]

there are a few threads in this forum that discusses the o/cing abilities of the 1700+ and 2100+

people are getting the 1700+ (1.47) all the way up to and beyond 2.0 ghz

people are getting the 2100+ (1.73) all the way up to and beyond 2.3 ghz

these are both thoroughbred B revisions of course....

whoever told you tbred's didn't overclock well, hasn't met an AT'er with a tbred


as for not liking nvidia... well... hands down at the moment... the nforce2 boards are the best boards out on the market for AMD.... they even unlock the multipliers on tbreds and have some nice volt options ( up to 2.15Vcore for the EPoX 8RDA+)....

as for getting a p4.... well... they rock! but... they're just expensive at the moment... your best bet is to get a 1.8A (northwood) and o/c that thing ... or try to get your hands on a c1 stepping 2.4B.... people are getting some insane o/c's up to 3.3 to 3.4 ghz... i'm not too much into intel at the moment but search around the forum and you'll see what people have been able to do...

good luck on your search!

 

[Grakatt]

Hmm, thanks for that, although how big is the chance for getting a thoroughbred 2200+ if I order it within 4 weeks?
If I can get a cheap nforce board, I might consider it , but chances are rather slim.

I shall however search for some nw1.8 ov'ing info!

EDIT: Nay, 1.8 NW's are tad too expensive.. :/

 

[MadTom]

Go with a 1700+ and a good KT333 board if price is main issue. But - for gaming your graphics card is the main thing you need to think about.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Grakatt
Hmm, thanks for that, although how big is the chance for getting a thoroughbred 2200+ if I order it within 4 weeks?
If I can get a cheap nforce board, I might consider it , but chances are rather slim.

I shall however search for some nw1.8 ov'ing info!

EDIT: Nay, 1.8 NW's are tad too expensive.. :/

hehehe.... too expensive.... not a surprise

anyway... don't get a 2200+.... if you can get your hand on a 2100+ B, get that instead..... it'll be cheaper and overclock better!

the 8rda (non plus) is less than a hundred US dollars.... you could always try that out....

 

[bgeh]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Grakatt
Hmm, thanks for that, although how big is the chance for getting a thoroughbred 2200+ if I order it within 4 weeks?
If I can get a cheap nforce board, I might consider it , but chances are rather slim.

I shall however search for some nw1.8 ov'ing info!

EDIT: Nay, 1.8 NW's are tad too expensive.. :/

hehehe.... too expensive.... not a surprise

anyway... don't get a 2200+.... if you can get your hand on a 2100+ B, get that instead..... it'll be cheaper and overclock better!

the 8rda (non plus) is less than a hundred US dollars.... you could always try that out....

i agree...the 2100+ is retailing also for around 100 US
or if you're really tight, you can get the 1700+ that retails for around 50 US

 

[Grakatt]

Originally posted by: bgeh

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Grakatt
Hmm, thanks for that, although how big is the chance for getting a thoroughbred 2200+ if I order it within 4 weeks?
If I can get a cheap nforce board, I might consider it , but chances are rather slim.

I shall however search for some nw1.8 ov'ing info!

EDIT: Nay, 1.8 NW's are tad too expensive.. :/

hehehe.... too expensive.... not a surprise

anyway... don't get a 2200+.... if you can get your hand on a 2100+ B, get that instead..... it'll be cheaper and overclock better!

the 8rda (non plus) is less than a hundred US dollars.... you could always try that out....

i agree...the 2100+ is retailing also for around 100 US
or if you're really tight, you can get the 1700+ that retails for around 50 US

That was fun to quote
Anyways, the price difference between a 2100+ and 2200+ is negligable (4$). If however, I could get a 2100+ rev B, it would be a noticeable better overclocker? Only trolly is, how do I know what I get? I doubt very much any online vendor would check the processor or actually know which ones are Thoroughbred B's? So that is why I asked for the timeframe.
Also, how much of a benefit is really an nforce mobo with a Thoroughbred? Lots and lots? Would I have to watch any sentence containing 'nvidia' everytome I started my comp?

 

[bgeh]

the 2100+ T-Bred B is a considerably better overclocker than the 2200+(i think they only have T-Bred A's)
anyway, the codes are printed a sticker on the chip itself
AX2100DMT3C- Palomino
AXDA2100(or 1700 depending on model number)DLT3C- T-Bred A
AXDA2100DUT3C- T-Bred B
these are the first lines of the code

 

[Shimmishim]

no, you would not have ot watch some sentence saying 'nvidia'!!!!! sheesh!!!



i know that the price difference may be negligible between a 2100+ and 2200+ but 2100+'s are overclocking like mothers right now!! i havent heard too much about people o/cing 2200+

some vendors such as newegg.com and excaliberpc.com guarantee tbred B's....

you wanna look for this sort of coding: AXDA(1700 or 2100)DUT3C
followed by: AIUHBXXXXXXXX the A should be a J in the case of 1700+

THAT'S how you know

if you go to newegg.com, you'll see what i mean... check out their 2100+'s OEM

 

[Grakatt]

I appreciate your efforts to bring me up to speed on the code-numbers on the processors itself.
However, vendors reluctant to actually check that number is the culprit, because I severely doubt that they would. And no, no good online vendor I've found herearound lists those processor-codes.

 

[Shimmishim]

dude,

go to www.newegg.com

they have listed: AXDA2100DUT3C = Tbred B

go to www.excaliberpc.com they have AIUHB 030X x=1,2,4 AND JIUHB 030X x = 2,7

Both these places guarantee B's.... and newegg is a very reputable on line vendor... i'm pretty sure that most people on this forum has bought at least one thing from newegg

 

[Grakatt]

Lyssna lite killen.

Why, did they just open a scandinavian, or even international, section ?

 

[Shimmishim]

????

 

[Grakatt]

What I was trying to get to, is that I'm from and in Scandinavia, as I've said before in this thread.

 

[Grakatt]

So no one knows which rev dominates the supplylines at the moment, or close future?

 

[Shimmishim]

so what you're saying is that you'd have t order from somewhere in scand? you couldn't order something from the US?

 

[Grakatt]

Basically. All places in the states I've looked at won't ship abroad..and even if they would, I wonder what all the fees would mean :/

 

[Shimmishim]

you know... you could always ask someone in the states to buy it for you and ship it to you.... (of course assumming you could find someone to trust.... but there are a lot of people to trust in the AT forums.. just look at heatware)

 

[Grakatt]

I would rather not go through the hassle :/
THanks for the tip though. I just thought there was a general consensus as to whether A or B were more common on the market, and which one would be, come shortly.

 

[TAL0N]

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