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Some advice, Computer Programmer soon to be finishing undergrad

dxkj

Lifer
I keep hearing how bad the economy is, and how IT jobs are going down the tubes somewhat. (I am a CS major, and was wondering how that area is fairing as well) Right now I have a decision to make, with one semester left in school should I go on to grad school and get a master or better, or try for a job. Any predictions on when this will turn around? At the moment Im mainly experienced in software, worked an internship at Compaq, and got turned down by the NSA because I failed the polygraph on the section asking about espionage. I am willing to go into any number of branches, mainly because of my constant curiosity to learn more about this "magical machine".

 
Did the NSA ask you to give up your citizenship? Long story, but I know a kid that interviewed w/ the CIA and they were like well...you'd have to give your citizenship up at which time he was like thanks but no thanks...
 
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Did the NSA ask you to give up your citizenship? Long story, but I know a kid that interviewed w/ the CIA and they were like well...you'd have to give your citizenship up at which time he was like thanks but no thanks...

Man, that sounds like some covert stuff. I would do it for the chance to work at the CIA. I mean, its not like you won't be an american. I'm sure after your duty is over you will get your citizenship back. I assume its just something they do for disavowment in case something goes awry. I highly doubt this "kid" gave any serious consideration to joining the CIA, because if he was serious, that little detail would not have put him off. It is not a big deal.

I would jump at the chance to do that kind of work.
 
Oh yeah, there's another kid I know that was an intern there last year. Basically your first 6 weeks or something is hand to hand combat training. They had him in a van monitoring communications in the Czech republic...
 
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Oh yeah, there's another kid I know that was an intern there last year. Basically your first 6 weeks or something is hand to hand combat training. They had him in a van monitoring communications in the Czech republic...

thats freakin sweet. What are the requirements for joining the NSA?
 
No, I wasnt lying, I was 19 at the time and had barely traveled this country let alone worked for a nation in espionage against this country.
 
Originally posted by: dxkj
No, I wasnt lying, I was 19 at the time and had barely traveled this country let alone worked for a nation in espionage against this country.

so the polygraph failed? man that blows.
 
Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Oh yeah, there's another kid I know that was an intern there last year. Basically your first 6 weeks or something is hand to hand combat training. They had him in a van monitoring communications in the Czech republic...

as an intern? :Q damn.
 
Originally posted by: Shiva112

thats freakin sweet. What are the requirements for joining the NSA?

1. Give up your citizenship. The United States is not responsible for the actions of a foreigner.
2. Sign a waiver. NSA is not responsible for what happens to you. If you should die, be injured, maimed, or disabled for life, you shouldn't be walking around with an unregistered weapon, anyway.
3. One kidney. You can live on one, so your spare is removed and sold on the black market.
4. One lung. See above.
5. Your left nut. Makes a great place for a cyanide capsule. Interrogators now routinely knock out all teeth. However, they are also known to give swift kicks to the balls to start off interrogations, so when you're caught...
6. Sex training part. All NSA agents are required to undergo sexual conditioning. Every night, for two hours, you will bend your ass over and enjoy non-stop reaming by the senior members of the organization, male and female.
7. Breathing exercises. Every morning, immediately after breakfast, all NSA agents are required to give blowjobs to senior members of the organization.
8. Your dog, Spot. All pets will be handed over to the NSA where they will be used for biological experiments by senior members of the organization.
9. Your face. Once initiated into the NSA, you will undergo plastic surgery until you look like Michael Jackson.
10.Certifiable insanity. Not only would you have to be insane to attempt to assassinate a drug lord in the middle of his daily inspection over his personal army, but when caught, any mention of the NSA while being tortured is attributed to being merely a relic of your latest wet dream.
 
You should have started your search last semester. IT is screwed up. All the jobs are gonna be outsourced to other countries. This is no longer a career building field, just something you do for a couple of years and move on. Get yourself into something else like Finance or Accounting.
 
You should have started your search last semester. IT is screwed up. All the jobs are gonna be outsourced to other countries. This is no longer a career building field, just something you do for a couple of years and move on. Get yourself into something else like Finance or Accounting.

If you could back that up with some explanation or articles I would really appreciate it. Hard to take a comment like that for much especially after putting 4 years of college into it =)
 
If you're CS you have a good chance of gettin a job. If you're IT...database, network stuff, web applications...good luck...
Seems like entery level jobs always exist hto..
 
Originally posted by: dxkj
You should have started your search last semester. IT is screwed up. All the jobs are gonna be outsourced to other countries. This is no longer a career building field, just something you do for a couple of years and move on. Get yourself into something else like Finance or Accounting.

If you could back that up with some explanation or articles I would really appreciate it. Hard to take a comment like that for much especially after putting 4 years of college into it =)


Most of it is just my opinion. I could be wrong. You don't see that a whole lot of IT jobs are being moved to India, China and various other countries where the same work can be done for $10000/year vs $60000/year? That right there is the problem. People in those countries are just as talented as people are here and they are willing to do it for a whole lot less. Here is this slashot article I found about something related.


http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/16/1355204&mode=thread

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982839.html

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/31/1848201.shtml?tid=98
 
Im a moron, I was wondering if CS was being affected the same as IT was and I phrased it completely wrong, I will fix that now.


yes, im a programmer, CS major
 
Umm.. I am actively searching for a job right now, and I don't know of any difference between IT and CS. I used to think they were different, but most people use them so much, that they have lost their meaning. Computer Science is a major, while IT is an industry where a whole lot of CS majors work. IT jobs mean CS related jobs (programming, testing, consulting, etc).
 
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