Originally posted by: LumbergTech
I think its pretty idiotic to pretend that these type of things don't occur.
These stories may be false, and if they are, hopefully the people who told them will pay in one way or another. Lets not forget history though. Nasty , nasty things are common in war. Every single other war before this has had its share of atrocities.
Agreed (although my quick look through the topic didn't show me anyone saying contrary). Nasty things
can occur. But let's not insinuate that it's well organized, widespread, and use these stories to portray a reckless, hateful picture to serve your own psychological hangups.
The type of posters who come in here and outright reject stories because they don't like the tone (usually deflecting the stories with pseudo patriotic remarks) are just as bad as the people who tell fake stories.
I'm all for their stories. Let's get the people they refer to in the stories, let's contact the people who were in their squads, platoons, and companies, and lets see what they have to say. Let's investigate the claims.
What I'm not for is another jpeyton anti-military hate thread based on weak anecdotal evidence and his continued mindless attempts to paint with a broad brush. Keeping his outrageous posting history and constant attacks on the military as a whole in mind, this topic seems like just another ignorant attempt to spread disinformation and slander people and an organization for political (and personal) purposes. He's disgusting... waste of skin and oxygen thief are terms that come to mind.
Also, those who say ..so and so didn't have stories like that. Of course most people won't tell stories like that. Either they didn't have that experience or they are too afraid or in denial and won't admit it to the people around them for fear of being judged or for fear of invalidating the "mission" they were given. Unless you have some evidence or have personally witnessed these things, you simply don't know.
Not sure what your point is here. Sounds to me like you're saying we can't trust the people who were there because they might not tell the truth. um....
Logic tells me that war brings out the worst in people. It doesn't mean that that is how most of the people conduct themselves, however, it only takes a small percentage to create quite heinous results.
Exactly. A small number of individuals, isolated instances, failures, and the crap situations of war. Problem is, that's not what the OP or this topic is about. The OP and people like him take a perverse glee in trotting out these small number of individuals, isolated instances, failures, and the crap situations to round them up and exploit it to deceive people, to make unfounded and hateful conclusions, and serve their own twisted agendas.
The worst part is people like jpeyton, with their outlandish and misleading irresponsibility, actually make is more difficult to deal with problems and situations that are REAL.