Soldiers piss on dead Taliban

[Siddhartha]

How about this:

Showing disrespect to anyone is bad and stupid. Experience has shown that doing dumb assed shit like that will come back to show how stupid and dumb assed you and your organization is.

 

[feralkid]

How can you stomach the killing of a person, but not the desecration of a corpse?

Jesus wept.


Were you raised by cockroaches?

 

[Craig234]

No excuses. The US Marines are better than this. No matter how evil the enemy is.

What's funny is the 'bad apple' fallacy will work strongly here.

That's when every anecdote bad about 'their side' 'proves' their side is like that, while every anecdote bad about your side is 'bad apples' who don't reflect the group.

So Abu Ghraib, for example, said nothing about the US - only a few bad apples.

These are just four bad apples. The larger group is not represented at all by them.

There's some truth to that - but the opposite conclusion is made if it's 'their side'.

 

[daws91]

That is so wrong. Hopefully the investigation will either prove the video to be a hoax (probably unlikely) or find the people who did those things.

 

[Sephire]

*ahem*

Some US marines are better than this.

 

[Craig234]

That is so wrong. Hopefully the investigation will either prove the video to be a hoax (probably unlikely) or find the people who did those things.

They'll be found and publically scapegoated, with enough punishment for good PR but not so much as to offend the troops, and keep the myth going. War is honorable!

 

[LookBehindYou]

You people need to get your head out of your asses. This is not that big of a deal and over time will be less and less of a deal. You have to realize that the people in the video are part of the current generation that, like me (31), have grown up watching violence all over the news, internet, and video games. We have become desensitized and you need to deal with it. Just be glad they didn't teabag'em too. Morals and sensitivity are 20th Century bullshit, get over it.

It's war, they'll do shitty stuff to us, we'll do shitty stuff to them. Personally I'd like to see more shit like this, its the same bullshit that they'd do to us.

We need to be the bigger people and do it more to them than they do to us.

word. LBY

 

[hal2kilo]

You people need to get your head out of your asses. This is not that big of a deal and over time will be less and less of a deal. You have to realize that the people in the video are part of the current generation that, like me (31), have grown up watching violence all over the news, internet, and video games. We have become desensitized and you need to deal with it. Just be glad they didn't teabag'em too. Morals and sensitivity are 20th Century bullshit, get over it.

It's war, they'll do shitty stuff to us, we'll do shitty stuff to them. Personally I'd like to see more shit like this, its the same bullshit that they'd do to us.

We need to be the bigger people and do it more to them than they do to us.

word. LBY

What a bunch of sociopathic drivel.

 

[PingviN]

"Marines are held to the highest standards, ethically and morally. Respect for others is essential. Marines are expected to act responsibly in a manner befitting the title they’ve earned."

Right, gotcha on that one. It's just sad and pathetic some of you are so far up your own asses you can't see why it is wrong to desecrate a corpse. Wtf is wrong with you, bfdd?

 

[Ausm]

I wonder why they decided to add the line:


Is that in case someone might assume that the taliban fighters died of natural causes?

LOL great point.

 

[amdhunter]

For all of you defending these jackasses, how different would you react if the Taliban pissed on an American soldier?

 

[rudder]

Is this what we're going to get up in arms about now a days? Really? Soldiers pissing on inanimate objects? Yes I realize it USED to be a person, that's the thing it USED to be, now it's no different than a rock. Where is the article critiquing the fire fight or etc before hand? Why is there a dead man laying on the floor? Oh yeah, that doesn't matter, but pissing on corpses totally attacks the sensibilities. Pathetic. IMO this is just more distractionist bullshit from media types.

Personally I could not give a fuck if the Marines pissed on a dead Taliban. However, the local population will see it as being very disrespectful of their fellow muslims... even if those fellow muslims will cut off a ladies head if she gets raped.

It is critical to maintain goodwill between the troops and the locals. Doing this stuff weakens our position.

 

[Binarycow]

Honestly, the average contemporary U.S. soldier is not exactly the creme of the crop within his demographic group. I wouldn't want to have him as my neighbor either. Older veterans and officers are a different story.

Just like everything else. The uneducated does uneducated things. Double that for uneducated youths under extremely stressful conditions.

 

[tydas]

There is no defending this no matter what you’re reasoning:
1. Ethically, morally wrong
2. Causes ill will in local population.

Are these marines so de-sensitized to dead, bullet ridden bodies that they can pee on it and laugh about it? Maybe its some kind of coping mechanism, I don't know...

 

[bfdd]

I don't understand why you think that since you killed a human being then anything goes afterward. After the state executes a man they don't throw the body around like a doll. If a man shoots someone in clear self-defense he doesn't mutilate the body. The same in war. In war people are expected to kill and die, but they are not expected to do a lot of things like poison the water supply of a town, target a working hospital, slay POWs, or abuse the bodies of the dead. Besides the moral principles involved, there are very serious pragmatic ones as well: These types of incidents make our military missions 10 times more difficult and put more people in more risk.

There is a very real amoral streak that's popular among younger, libertarian types that's been heightened by our post-modern legacy of cynicism, desensitization, and irony. Principles of virtue that this country was founded on and tried to cultivate are slipping as honor, integrity, and respect lose value. We will not last long without them.

This is a reprehensible act.

You guys seriously don't get what I'm saying because you're dumb. It doesn't matter if pissing is bad or wrong, it's not the issue here. Pissing would NEVER HAVE OCCURRED if the guy wasn't shot. In fact he would have been pissed on while alive and we could have bitched about the disrespect our soldiers showed him and I would be right along there with you. I still think this is disrespectful, I just don't care or see the big deal because they had just killed someone. How can you be pissed about pissing, but not about the killing? I do not care one iota about pissing on corpses, it is immature and stupid, we shouldn't do it, but I just don't care. What we shouldn't be doing is going around spending a ton of money killing cavemen for no fucking real reason any more. That's the outrage, you morons are to busy worrying about pissing on something that has no more feeling than a rock.

 

[GrGr]

Eh what are you on about. You want me to piss on you too?
You said video theres none. Propoganda cheers

I fail to see the propaganda point. The US spends HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of USD a year on propaganda, and you, and quite a few others on here, are a shining example of how effective it is.

If propaganda is one of the main weapons of the Taliban, what does the American emphasis on propaganda tell you? Or are you past seeing what is US propaganda and just swallow it wholesale as the norm of reality?

 

[GrGr]

They should have just dropped a few slices of bacon on them and left. No need to waste good urine.

Well, know we know why US Marines are called Jarheads.

 

[Binarycow]

You guys seriously don't get what I'm saying because you're dumb. It doesn't matter if pissing is bad or wrong, it's not the issue here. Pissing would NEVER HAVE OCCURRED if the guy wasn't shot. In fact he would have been pissed on while alive and we could have bitched about the disrespect our soldiers showed him and I would be right along there with you. I still think this is disrespectful, I just don't care or see the big deal because they had just killed someone. How can you be pissed about pissing, but not about the killing? I do not care one iota about pissing on corpses, it is immature and stupid, we shouldn't do it, but I just don't care. What we shouldn't be doing is going around spending a ton of money killing cavemen for no fucking real reason any more. That's the outrage, you morons are to busy worrying about pissing on something that has no more feeling than a rock.

you're trying to sound logical on what really is a cultural and emotional issue. That's just like having sex with "underage" girls. It might not make any biological sense to say a 17.999.... year old girl is entirely different than an 18 years old, however, you just don't do it.

 

[zsdersw]

They should have just dropped a few slices of bacon on them and left. No need to waste good urine.

Why waste good bacon?

 

[Jaskalas]

The men described in the OP would be scum worthy of handing over to the enemy. While, perhaps, not willing to go that far they must be removed from service and I'd throw them in jail.

Dishonor like that is a serious crime in my book. They didn't just piss on the Taliban, they pissed on the United States, on their fellow soldiers, and on us. In the old days I'd have their heads.

The more important question now is who are they, and was it fake? I can see our opponents coming up with a PR campaign to produce something like this. If this story gains any traction it is likely to incite public outrage. There were riots over a cartoon, and this is more serious.

 

[Jaskalas]

... What we shouldn't be doing is going around spending a ton of money killing cavemen for no fucking real reason any more. That's the outrage, you morons are to busy worrying about pissing on something that has no more feeling than a rock.

Go make a thread on that, I'll share that outrage over our very presence there. This topic is about dishonorable conduct being published.

 

[randomrogue]

Is this even debatable?

Look if you're gonna go primeval on someone and scalp them or piss on them make sure you don't get caught. Don't do it on video.

Asking for "either side" to not act like animals during war is a bit lame honestly. It's war. If you don't like it, don't go to war. Problem solved.

 

[CitizenKain]

You people need to get your head out of your asses. This is not that big of a deal and over time will be less and less of a deal. You have to realize that the people in the video are part of the current generation that, like me (31), have grown up watching violence all over the news, internet, and video games. We have become desensitized and you need to deal with it. Just be glad they didn't teabag'em too. Morals and sensitivity are 20th Century bullshit, get over it.

It's war, they'll do shitty stuff to us, we'll do shitty stuff to them. Personally I'd like to see more shit like this, its the same bullshit that they'd do to us.

We need to be the bigger people and do it more to them than they do to us.

word. LBY

So because you grew up to be a broken person that somehow excuses these people as well.

 

[Binarycow]

So because you grew up to be a broken person that somehow excuses these people as well.

he does not speak for anyone else but himself no matter how much he pretends.

 

[Shyatic]

If the time comes, and I hope that it never does, and the US is engaged in a war with a larger enemy (China, Pakistan, Iran, etc), the actions we take as a nation will be revisited upon us.

If we play the "good guy" on TV, I think that part and parcel of that is acting better than the "bad guys" and not stooping to their level. Win, but win graciously.

Who am I kidding though? Most Americans are war-hungry savages it seems like, and until somebody close to them dies they don't get a change in their mind about it.