Soldiers piss on dead Taliban

[schneiderguy]

So it's OK to kill the guy but not OK to pee on him afterwards? :hmm:

Of the two I would much rather prefer to be peed on.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

If this guy piss on you then your dead

 

[bfdd]

let me see if I get this straight op

The american soldiers hanging off a bridge - and burning - that's ok because they are, in your own words, " inanimate objects"?

I just want to make sure I've got this correct.

So if a video surfaced of a mob of afghani people tearing apart the corpse of a US soldier - who was killed in a helicopter crash - you would have no problem with that?

Really?

Clue?

For the most part yes. I don't see any difference burning bodies or burning flags. What's the difference? Seriously tell me the difference, will not burning and desecrating their bodies bring them back to life? No? Then who cares.

Like I said, why is it a big deal that they are pissing on someone they just fucking shot. If you have such a problem with the pissing, you should have infinitely more of the issue with the shooting. You could not possibly have the desecration of a corpse, without the corpse.

I know the concept of people having a different outlook on life is unfamiliar and alien to you, but yes, this does get people upset. Try to imagine this, lets say that a family member you care for dies in their sleep. The EMTs drag the body out by its feet while commenting infront of the grieving relatives what a piece of shit this person was. Then film it and put it up on Youtube. Now, what is your reaction?

There is always the ability to post a response on Youtube? I don't see what you're getting at. Should I get super angry? No I shouldn't and I doubt anyone I know would want me to get absolutely pissed over their body being desecrated. They're gone, they'd probably encourage me to continue doing what I'm doing if they could. This really is a bunch of philosophical non-sense and we could go on and on and on, or we could just shut up and agree that the killing is the worse thing and the pissing shouldn't even be discussed in "relative terms".

 

[Whiskey16]

Like I said, why is it a big deal that they are pissing on someone they just fucking shot.

Go for it Yank, keep on such advocation for winning hearts and minds in a foreign deployment against an insurgency.

If this is how you desire your forces to act, regardless of repercussions, then your allies ought to keep on pulling out with a great fuck-you to the USA and continued incompetence.

That is a warranted response to your vile alternate reality.

Now, let's be clear upon realities -- your insultingly antagonistic arrogance and utter incompetence upon tactics and strategy for such warfare are clear indications of you being in a minority and of not displaying the ordered behaviour and expectations of your forces.

bfdd, you are out to lunch and by no means represent US military policy nor regulations upon behaviour and the actions expected of this current mission. Your display here to advocate self-sabotage of a mission is shameful.

 

[bfdd]

Whiskey, yank? I am not a yankee. I am from California, you do not understand what I am saying because you are clearly a fucking moron. I am saying, what is the big deal pissing on the guy because they just shot and killed him. Can you not grasp that? That the real issue is that the guy is dead, not that he got pissed on. Dense ass idiots being distracted by what people with more pull than you want you to flip out about. Appeasing to the emotions of morons.

Also, I have no condoned what they did at all. In fact I think it's disrespectful and not something I would do, but I really just don't see the big deal because I'm not stupid enough to think pissing on a corpse is a big deal. Whereas I think blasting some fool in his own country for some reason they'll never disclose to us is kind of a big deal.

 

[gevorg]

Marines are expected to adhere to the highest moral standards, and those four Marines in the video are the same savages as the Taliban they killed. Killing your enemy should be done while maintaining your own honor, and no matter what your enemy does, you shouldn't go down to their level. What if this was in Congo? Should the Marines eat their enemies, because that's will show 'em?

 

[bfdd]

Marines are expected to adhere to the highest moral standards, and those four Marines in the video are the same savages as the Taliban they killed. Killing your enemy should be done while maintaining your own honor, and no matter what your enemy does, you shouldn't go down to their level. What if this was in Congo? Should the Marines eat their enemies, because that's will show 'em?

I agree with you, how does that change the fact that pissing on a corpse isn't really jack shit when you have to get past the fact they fucking had to kill someone to create the corpse. Pissing doesn't seem all that bad now does it? That is my point, how the fuck is that not hard to understand? How can you stomach the killing of a person, but not the desecration of a corpse? That's retarded and illogical.

 

[gevorg]

I agree with you, how does that change the fact that pissing on a corpse isn't really jack shit when you have to get past the fact they fucking had to kill someone to create the corpse. Pissing doesn't seem all that bad now does it? That is my point, how the fuck is that not hard to understand? How can you stomach the killing of a person, but not the desecration of a corpse? That's retarded and illogical.

Its actually quite simple, pissing is immoral and degrading on the Marine no matter what. Killing may or may not be immoral, depending on situation, threat, orders, etc.

 

[zanejohnson]

Its one.of those deals where...you respect fellow man...we grew up in america ..they were raised in the middle east...totally different they believe in what there fighting for as much as we Americans do ...that deserves respect. Not desecration of a corpse treating them of less of a man..there was a tome when Wed even give enemy soldiers a proper burial...even if it was a mass grave...not them in the street to rot and especially not piss on them. Humans are humans have a little class...for your own sake.

 

[The Green Bean]

More proof that the lack of diapers is hampering the US war effort.

 

[Craig234]

This is the effect war has on people generally. When they're killing enemies, they're going to tend to view those enemies with disrespect - makes the killing easier.

Degrading enemies, taking 'trophies' and such are as old as war.

I think the strong objection to it is more about the PR benefits of claiming some high ground and continuing the myth of 'honor' to make war easier to sell than anything.

Don't want the public who puts ribbons on their cars getting uncomfortable.

 

[WelshBloke]

I agree with you, how does that change the fact that pissing on a corpse isn't really jack shit when you have to get past the fact they fucking had to kill someone to create the corpse. Pissing doesn't seem all that bad now does it? That is my point, how the fuck is that not hard to understand? How can you stomach the killing of a person, but not the desecration of a corpse? That's retarded and illogical.

It's war, shooting people is inevitable. Pissing on them is unnecessary, at least I didn't see any singe marks.

 

[HAL9000]

They should have just dropped a few slices of bacon on them and left. No need to waste good urine.

Aren't you a christian?

If yes.

How can you be so insensitive to someones religious delusions?

 

[Doppel]

Is this what we're going to get up in arms about now a days? Really? Soldiers pissing on inanimate objects? Yes I realize it USED to be a person, that's the thing it USED to be, now it's no different than a rock.

lol wut, 99.9% of the planet doesn't agree.

 

[Linflas]

lol wut, 99.9% of the planet doesn't agree.

But 99.9% of the planet has done the same thing in war. The true stupidity here is taking pictures of yourself doing it and then doubling down on the stupidity by posting them on the internet.

 

[HAL9000]

But 99.9% of the planet has done the same thing in war. The true stupidity here is taking pictures of yourself doing it and then doubling down on the stupidity by posting them on the internet.

Wait what? You think that 99.9% of the planet has pissed on a dead body during war time?!

 

[Craig234]

Aren't you a christian?

If yes.

How can you be so insensitive to someones religious delusions?

You really need look no further than some in this forum to understand the holocaust.

 

[Linflas]

Wait what? You think that 99.9% of the planet has pissed on a dead body during war time?!

I think 99.9% of the planet has done that and much worse in wartime.

 

[HAL9000]

You really need look no further than some in this forum to understand the holocaust.

Errm. What?

I think 99.9% of the planet has done that and much worse in wartime.

Right, just to clarify, my grandparents lived through WW2, as my partners grandparents and my friends grandparents none of them pissed on a corpse or equivalent.

Also, the vast majority of the planet haven't lived through war time so there's no way 99.9% of people have done anything like that.

 

[J-Money]

Seriously how hard is it to understand that it isn't that people "can't stomach" it, but the fact that it is incredibly disrespectful and immature?

The US always claims and promotes it's Forces as having the highest respect and professionalism then this shit happens. It's shameful and embarrasing to your country and it's military.

If the US wants to change it's stance to "We like CoD and teabag our enemies, fuck all y'all" then have at it and be known as savages.

 

[Craig234]

Errm. What?

Some people in this forum show the incredible hate for groups it's not hard to stir up.

The same mentality that screams 'put bacon on killed muslims!!!' and 'turn their country into glass parking lots!!!' is similar to th eone that can aim 'final solutions' at groups.

It's not that different, the same basic mentality, just different policies, for now.

 

[cwjerome]

I agree with you, how does that change the fact that pissing on a corpse isn't really jack shit when you have to get past the fact they fucking had to kill someone to create the corpse. Pissing doesn't seem all that bad now does it? That is my point, how the fuck is that not hard to understand? How can you stomach the killing of a person, but not the desecration of a corpse? That's retarded and illogical.

I don't understand why you think that since you killed a human being then anything goes afterward. After the state executes a man they don't throw the body around like a doll. If a man shoots someone in clear self-defense he doesn't mutilate the body. The same in war. In war people are expected to kill and die, but they are not expected to do a lot of things like poison the water supply of a town, target a working hospital, slay POWs, or abuse the bodies of the dead. Besides the moral principles involved, there are very serious pragmatic ones as well: These types of incidents make our military missions 10 times more difficult and put more people in more risk.

There is a very real amoral streak that's popular among younger, libertarian types that's been heightened by our post-modern legacy of cynicism, desensitization, and irony. Principles of virtue that this country was founded on and tried to cultivate are slipping as honor, integrity, and respect lose value. We will not last long without them.

This is a reprehensible act.

 

[ichy]

It was an unfortunate and stupid thing to do, but in the grand scheme of things it was really very minor. I'm sure it'll be blown out of all proportion.

 

[Sephire]

No excuses. The US Marines are better than this. No matter how evil the enemy is.

 

[HAL9000]

Some people in this forum show the incredible hate for groups it's not hard to stir up.

The same mentality that screams 'put bacon on killed muslims!!!' and 'turn their country into glass parking lots!!!' is similar to th eone that can aim 'final solutions' at groups.

It's not that different, the same basic mentality, just different policies, for now.

Oh sure sorry yes I see that, I thought you were making a very different point.