solaris (sparc) and solaris x86

groovin

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hi, i want to learn Sun. how different are these two from a sys admin standpoint? for example, id imagine most of the the standard unix command would be the same for both, but how about device names, chopping up disks, adding users, config file locations, etc?

i know the best way would be to get sun hardware, but im still scraping cash for that.

thanks!
 

n0cmonkey

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They should be pretty similar. I've been playing with Solaris 10 just a little bit, and it doesn't seem too different, except for the brain dead hardware. :p

You should be able to get decent Sun hardware on ebay for under $100USD. :)
 

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The biggest difference is the OBP ( open boot prompt ) which allows you to interact with sun hardware. Think of it like accessing the sun bios. I picked up sun hardware just to learn this
 

groovin

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thanks for the replies.

n0c, can u recommend a model of sun that would be adequate to run solaris 9 on? i dont know much about sun, let alone old sun hardware. thanks again
 

groovin

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oh and also... do sun boxes need sun monitors? or will any analog do?

thanks
 

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solaris is solaris, LOL, sparc and x86 are just the CPU architecture ;)

groovin, 9 will run on anything you want it to, that supports it, and you can use any monitor you want.

Solaris has been the OS of choice in the past for those wanting a DNS server.

Solaris is just another UNIX ;)
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: groovin
thanks for the replies.

n0c, can u recommend a model of sun that would be adequate to run solaris 9 on? i dont know much about sun, let alone old sun hardware. thanks again

Any Ultra (sparc4u, ultra sparc, sparc64, whatever) or better. I think most of the 32bit stuff got phased out with v9. The ultra 10s and ultra 5s use a crappy IDE chipset, and often come with old and slow drives. It may be placebo, but they feel faster with a newer 7200rpm drive.

RAM is one of the most important parts. The more ram the better.

oh and also... do sun boxes need sun monitors? or will any analog do?

Ultra 1s and maybe ultra 2s use a different connector than you're used to (13w3 or something). You can either pick up a monitor to support that (usually cheap these days), use an adapter (relatively cheap), or use a serial cable.
 

Sunner

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Here are the options I'd look at:
Ultra 5/10, decent enough boxes, they use Sun PGX cards, regular DBUS monitor connectors, etc, so they're pretty much a PC with a SPARC CPU.
The exception is their memory, they use FPM DIMM's, those are hard to come by besides EBay.
Performance is pretty lousy, much thanks to the really ****** IDE controller, their graphics card also sucks(old PGX junk).

Ultra60's and 80's, dual and four way boxes respectively, use SCSI drives, for memory the same holds true for these as for Ultra5's and 10's.
They tend to use UPA graphics cards, these, as noc pointed out, come with 3W13 connectors, so no, a regular PC monitor won't work there.
Good boxes if you can find one for a decent price, and with a monitor.

Blade 100's and 1000's.
The 100's are cheapo boxes, sold new for ~1k$ back in the day, come with UltraSparc-IIe's at 500-650 MHz, which is fast enough, they use standard SDRAM DIMM's, standard IDE drives, etc, pretty much an old PC with a SPARC.
Oh and they come with an old junky ATi graphics chip with 8 MB of RAM iirc, junk for sure, but far better than the PGX in the Ultra5's and 10's.
Good buy if you can find one cheap, since you can upgrade them yourself, and without getting ripped off on memory, disks, etc.
The 1000's are higher end boxes with Ultra-III CPU's, FC-AL disks, and such, mostly they're pretty expensive since they're not that old yet, but once in a while you can find one for cheap, if you do, they have BY FAR the biggest coolness factor.

Then there are Ultra1's and 2's, these are getting really long in the tooth, most of the ones I see these days tend to develop problems with CPU fans, PSU fans, etc, which combined with the fact that upgrading them in any way aside from disks will suck, makes them not worth it imo.
Coming from someone who owns two of them btw :)

As for Solaris, there are no major differences, as was pointed out, no OpenBoot on i386's obviously, and Disk Suite is a bit different, basically minor low level stuff.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Then there are Ultra1's and 2's, these are getting really long in the tooth, most of the ones I see these days tend to develop problems with CPU fans, PSU fans, etc, which combined with the fact that upgrading them in any way aside from disks will suck, makes them not worth it imo.
Coming from someone who owns two of them btw :)

Hmmm, that's good to know. I'm beginning to tinker with my ultra1e...

As a note WRT ultra10s and their craptastic IDE, the NetBSD folks got a promise PCI/IDE card to work as a boot device with OpenBoot support and everything. Not sure if there are drivers for Solaris though...
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Sunner
Then there are Ultra1's and 2's, these are getting really long in the tooth, most of the ones I see these days tend to develop problems with CPU fans, PSU fans, etc, which combined with the fact that upgrading them in any way aside from disks will suck, makes them not worth it imo.
Coming from someone who owns two of them btw :)

Hmmm, that's good to know. I'm beginning to tinker with my ultra1e...

As a note WRT ultra10s and their craptastic IDE, the NetBSD folks got a promise PCI/IDE card to work as a boot device with OpenBoot support and everything. Not sure if there are drivers for Solaris though...

Actually, the CPU fan dying isn't too bad if you don't mind using more than a screw driver to mess with them.
One of mine had the CPU fan go bad not long after I got it, and it took a bit of cutting and bending, but I finally got the fan and all the plastic junk that holds it in place out of there, and replaced it with an 80mm fan that I connected to a molex connector using a 3pin->molex converter, works like a charm :)

The PSU's on the other hands...*shudder*
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Sunner
Then there are Ultra1's and 2's, these are getting really long in the tooth, most of the ones I see these days tend to develop problems with CPU fans, PSU fans, etc, which combined with the fact that upgrading them in any way aside from disks will suck, makes them not worth it imo.
Coming from someone who owns two of them btw :)

Hmmm, that's good to know. I'm beginning to tinker with my ultra1e...

As a note WRT ultra10s and their craptastic IDE, the NetBSD folks got a promise PCI/IDE card to work as a boot device with OpenBoot support and everything. Not sure if there are drivers for Solaris though...

Actually, the CPU fan dying isn't too bad if you don't mind using more than a screw driver to mess with them.
One of mine had the CPU fan go bad not long after I got it, and it took a bit of cutting and bending, but I finally got the fan and all the plastic junk that holds it in place out of there, and replaced it with an 80mm fan that I connected to a molex connector using a 3pin->molex converter, works like a charm :)

The PSU's on the other hands...*shudder*

I'll have to take a look at it. The cdrom is bad in mine, so I've gotta pop it open anyhow. Hopefully the spare SCSI cdrom drive I have works. I don't feel like setting up a netboot at the moment.