Solar Roadways... is this even feasible?

OutHouse

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very very cool idea and would be cool as all hell. I can see it maybe working on a light use roads, playgrounds and sidewalks but interstates with VERY heavy trucks? na i dont think so.

https://youtu.be/qlTA3rnpgzU
 

Red Squirrel

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Snow would probably be the biggest issue. Even if it can melt it, the energy required to do that would be more than what you'd get out of them until more snow falls and has to be melted again. Even if you plow, plows don't scrape right down to the surface or the blades would wear out too fast, they always leave an inch or so that gets packed down.

Good videos that goes through all the math:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds

Follow up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOZBrHqTJk4

That said I think it's cool to see people trying to innovate, especially with green energy, but I just don't think this would work. They could maybe work indoors as well, buildings that get lot of sunlight inside. Or in places that don't get any snow, like restaurants that have an outdoor area.
 

ImpulsE69

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We had this discussion already, and it wasn't pretty. Lot's of hateful know-it-alls on these forums. Not going to bother searching for the thread, but it was rather lengthy and full of angst and disbelief.
 

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We had this discussion already, and it wasn't pretty. Lot's of hateful know-it-alls on these forums. Not going to bother searching for the thread, but it was rather lengthy and full of angst and disbelief.

It was also full of retards that also thought this was a 'very very cool idea' because they have trouble grasping reality.

It's not a good idea in any shape or form. Literally everything is wrong with it.

It's like 'inventing' a car that runs on farts. Only it doesn't really work. Also, the wheels are square and you drive it with your mouth. And it gives you herpes.
 

olds

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Why did they show and egg frying in the sun when they said baking in the sun?
They have no idea what they are talking about and they can't pay attention to detail. Tells me their whole premise is asinine.
 

Ruptga

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It doesn't hold up to scrutiny, at all. The panels wouldn't hold up to traffic, but the bigger problem is the shitton of electrical equipment and conduit that would have to be installed in order to collect that power and move it somewhere useful. It would be a terrible mess.

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phucheneh

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It doesn't hold up to scrutiny, at all. The panels wouldn't hold up to traffic, but the bigger problem is the shitton of electrical equipment and conduit that would have to be installed in order to collect that power and move it somewhere useful. It would be a terrible mess.

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You don't even have to get that deep into it, really.

Q: What's better than a road made of solar panels?

A: A road. And solar panels. As two separate entities. Because combining them is of completely no benefit whatsoever.
 

mmntech

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Not this BS again. Watch EEVBlog's videos. Solar roadways seem like a smart idea at first, but they don't hold up to critical thinking. They'll never be economically viable.
 

waffleironhead

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I dont have the data left to watch the video. Is this EV panels on the roadway to make electricity or placing tubing in the roadbed to harness the heat?
 

Ruptga

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You don't even have to get that deep into it, really.

Q: What's better than a road made of solar panels?

A: A road. And solar panels. As two separate entities. Because combining them is of completely no benefit whatsoever.

I immediately thought of the xkcd, which had those two links right at the top. Don't worry, minimal effort was expended.
 

Jeff7

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Not this BS again. Watch EEVBlog's videos. Solar roadways seem like a smart idea at first, but they don't hold up to critical thinking. They'll never be economically viable.
Or rather, by the time they would be economically viable, we'll also have things like Gen IV fission reactors or fusion reactors.



But hey, maybe there's a chance that something quite unexpected will show up, like figuring out how to make aluminum cheaply (before the late 1800s, it was more expensive than gold), or the invention of the transistor and then the progress toward making them absurdly small.

Even so, a more reasonable place to put some kind of sunlight-harvesting device would be rooftops, not roadways.
 
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ImpulsE69

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ImpulsE69

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You don't even have to get that deep into it, really.

Q: What's better than a road made of solar panels?

A: A road. And solar panels. As two separate entities. Because combining them is of completely no benefit whatsoever.

I bet some narrow minded non-outside the box thinker said that about peanut butter and chocolate at one time :colbert:

There have been so many stupidly expensive things created in history, I say let them dream. Why? Because they can. Maybe something actually useful will come out of it. Doesn't mean you have to give them money.

Or should we dump more money in weapons of mass destruction, because they are so useful and cheap? (uber strawman attack strikes for crit dmg)
 
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gdansk

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Solar panels are fragile, expensive (especially compared to tarmac) and to pave even a 'small percentage' of roads with photovoltaics would exhaust the world of all its accessible monocrystalline silicon, polycrystalline silicon, amorphous silicon, cadmium telluride, and copper indium gallium selenide/sulfide.

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Imagine all the silicon waste. Entire mountains would have to be destroyed to acquire the raw materials. As an earth-friendly proposition: it's not at all earth-friendly and financially impossible. Heck, it's physically impossible to pave any reasonable amount of roads with photovoltaic cells until we start mining mineral rich asteroids.
 
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tcsenter

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There just is no way you could prevent the upper-most translucent protective layer from being quickly etched and scratched into a clouded hazey mess, through which only a fraction of your sunlight is going to pass.
 

DrPizza

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No, they're not feasible. It's two great ideas, meshed into one. Sometimes, it's great to mix two good things. E.g., peanut butter and chocolate. But other times, it's stupid. E.g., (borrowing from a previous thread on solar roads) a pipe wrench and a knife.

In my humble opinion, it's a BRILLIANT money grab. Get lots of people investing small sums of money, give them a hat or a t-shirt, and sit back and bank your retirement while spending a little bit to create some non-real world prototypes. And, when the detractors point out flaws in your plan, respond with real facts that will put the minds of people without a strong background in science at ease. "Oh, look. The solar road people are pointing out that on the Mohs hardness scale, glass is harder than asphalt." Uh, sure. But, on the Mohs hardness scale, you know what's harder than glass? Dirt. Or more specifically components of dirt like fused quartz, quartz, etc. And you know what happens to glass when you have dust blowing across a road, then cars driving over that dust? It scratches the glass.

Now, some of you may have never "cut" a sheet of glass before. You don't actually cut it. You lightly scratch the surface of the glass, which GREATLY reduces its strength. It literally snaps along the scratch line when subjected to a minimal amount of stress. In fact, if I gave two of you a piece of a cylinder of very clean, unscratched glass - one of you held the glass in your palm where your sweat got on it and you rolled it back and forth, and the other carefully held it by the tips, then after 10 minutes we put it into a machine that tests the strength of that glass rod, you'd see that the one that was in the palm was at least an order of magnitude weaker.

There are many other excellent reasons, which individually are enough to demonstrate why this project is not feasible. The simplest one though is financial. Why would you take the cost of a solar panel, and the cost of a section of road, and create a product that costs significantly more than the two of them combined. Numbers for illustrative purposes only: "Let's see, I could spend $200 for a square foot of solar cells. And, I could spend $25 for a square foot of road. No, I think a better idea would be to spend $2000 per square foot of solar road which is going to need far more maintenance than either the road or solar cells sitting alone."

The entire thing (imho) is a scam to raise money; it has no chance for success from a materials point of view, it has no chance for success from a financial point of view. But, thanks to a lot of viral marketing, (the video and thread posted here a year ago came from a new sign-up who hasn't posted since), the perpetrators of this fantasy have made a lot of money.
 

ImpulsE69

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I think the point is, I'm not advocating anyone giving money to it. I sure wouldn't, but if someone wants to research this let them. I'm not in any way thinking that current solar panel technology would work, far from it. I do however think the idea itself is an interesting one. It is outside the box thinking. My assumption is that anyone who is researching this would be smart enough to already the issues at hand and come up with a cheaper less wasteful way that stands up to more than what current solar tech does. If they don't...well it's their money. I'm talking about driving innovation, not just taking 2 things and smashing them together and saying "tadaa!"

Most of the negative mentality is based on current technology. I'm looking at the future possibilities, or even something entirely different like improved solar tech in general that may come out of trying to make something like this viable. I get the impression many are just looking at it on the surface and saying 'never gonna work'. Am I skeptical, sure, but I am not being so set in my ways to think that it isn't viable in some manner even if it takes 20 years.

If it is just a scam, that is really a different topic. The idea itself is what I find interesting.

What I don't find interesting? Amazon Echo, but people are eating that up.
 
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BUTCH1

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You don't even have to get that deep into it, really.

Q: What's better than a road made of solar panels?

A: A road. And solar panels. As two separate entities. Because combining them is of completely no benefit whatsoever.

Yea, correct, this is a pipe-dream and nothing more, also a repost as this was discussed at length in this thread here. Anyone who thinks a solar-powered roadway is going to generate enough wattage to keep a road in the northern states free of snow and ice when the sun is very low in the sky and the outside temperature is 10 degrees is beyond nutty.