Solar farm destroyed by hail

Red Squirrel

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Ouch, that totally sucks. There is really not any simple way to protect from that either. Hail tends to come completely out of nowhere so don't have time to have someone go put plywood over them or something, and if you automated it that means having mechanical moving parts that need to be able to also survive wind.
 
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RnR_au

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There is really not any simple way to protect from that either.
From the article;
According to kWh Analytics, an asset insurance provider, moving panels into hail stow mode, where trackers are placed in a high degree tilt to reduce the impact energy of hailstones, is an effective mitigation technique that can reduce property insurance premiums up to 35%.

Sounds like there are ways to mitigate damage. And its not like hail comes out of nowhere. Weather radars can see dangerous conditions well in advance and its up to the managers of solar farms to activate any plans following precautionary principles.
 

dullard

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1) Solar panels often still work with damage, just at a lower efficiency than before.
2) Solar panels are dirt cheap and easy to replace. The vast majority of the solar cost is the land + mounts + motors to move them + electrical lines + inverters + all other compliance equipment. None of which should be impacted much by storms.

But, since this is making the rounds on all conservative media, points #1 and #2 are irrelevant to them.
 

FelixDeCat

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The hand out that they gave my brother back in 2020 when he installed solar said the panels were "hail proof" up to baseball size rocks. So far they have held up through many hail storms but none were that large....yet.
 

Captante

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Not sure why some sort of steel/alloy mesh couldn't be installed to protect the surface of the cells?

Sure it would block a minimal amount of the sun's energy and add weight/complexity but my guess is in severe weather it would be worth the effort.
 

nakedfrog

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From the article;


Sounds like there are ways to mitigate damage. And its not like hail comes out of nowhere. Weather radars can see dangerous conditions well in advance and its up to the managers of solar farms to activate any plans following precautionary principles.
Yeah, the thing is that he's an idiot and always goes off his knee-jerk reaction without bothering to inform himself unless it's from a known conspiracy theory source.
 
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Ajay

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From the article;


Sounds like there are ways to mitigate damage. And its not like hail comes out of nowhere. Weather radars can see dangerous conditions well in advance and its up to the managers of solar farms to activate any plans following precautionary principles.
And supposedly the system was activated - but, for whatever reason, didn't actually change the inclination of the panels.
 
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Captante

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And supposedly the system was activated - but, for whatever reason, didn't actually change the inclination of the panels.

In some possible severe weather scenarios I can picture, the only way to really protect the panels would be to move them underground that's the challenge here.

An F4 or F5 tornado will really ruin a solar farms whole day no matter what angle those panels are at ... they'll just stay airborne for a shorter distance maybe!
 

Ajay

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In some possible severe weather scenarios I can picture, the only way to really protect the panels would be to move them underground that's the challenge here.

An F4 or F5 tornado will really ruin a solar farms whole day no matter what angle those panels are at ... they'll just stay airborne for a shorter distance maybe!
True, but then Solar would become uncompetitive. So mitigation and insurance are the best options.
 
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Speaking of underground, there's that whole Geotherrmal thing if they can bore deep enough to get enough heat to spin turbines.
 

FelixDeCat

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Speaking of underground, there's that whole Geotherrmal thing if they can bore deep enough to get enough heat to spin turbines.
We can tap the Yellowstone Caldera. We have to be careful though - we dont wind up getting 30% of America covered in pyroclastic flow and lava from the gigatonnes of magma.
 
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Red Squirrel

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1) Solar panels often still work with damage, just at a lower efficiency than before.
2) Solar panels are dirt cheap and easy to replace. The vast majority of the solar cost is the land + mounts + motors to move them + electrical lines + inverters + all other compliance equipment. None of which should be impacted much by storms.

But, since this is making the rounds on all conservative media, points #1 and #2 are irrelevant to them.

At that scale it's not cheap though as there are so many of them. They can try to sell them for cheap to people who want to try their hand at fixing them though. It could just be the thing of adding a clear epoxy layer on top to stop any water ingress.

I just picked up 4 245w solar panels for pretty cheap myself from a local solar farm as they were under performing within warranty period so they are replacing them all. They are still at 90% or so efficiency but that loss adds up for a big farm.
 

balloonshark

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Use a golf club to protect from golf ball sized hail.

Use a baseball bat to protect from baseball and softball sized hail.

Use Gallagher's hammer to protect from grapefruit size hail.
 

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At that scale it's not cheap though as there are so many of them. They can try to sell them for cheap to people who want to try their hand at fixing them though. It could just be the thing of adding a clear epoxy layer on top to stop any water ingress.

I just picked up 4 245w solar panels for pretty cheap myself from a local solar farm as they were under performing within warranty period so they are replacing them all. They are still at 90% or so efficiency but that loss adds up for a big farm.
I'd say at that scale they should be able to easily replace them at 35c/w. I'd guess closer to 25-30c/w. So like $1-$1.5 million in panels. Really not that horrible a price.
 

Captante

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True, but then Solar would become uncompetitive. So mitigation and insurance are the best options.

No doubt. It's way cheaper to just buy 500 more cheap Chinese solar panels when they get wiped out! :p
 
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Zorba

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Ithe thing is that he's an idiot and always goes off his knee-jerk reaction without bothering to inform himself unless it's from a known conspiracy theory source.
I think he is generally pro-Solar, though.
 

Jon-T

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I think he is generally pro-Solar, though.
He has made plenty of posts in the past about his solar panel array and battery backup. Probably the most solar powered poster here. Probably why seeing them wiped out by hail alarmed him
 
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