Socket 939 vs Socket 754

[Malladine]

Replacing XP 1700+/ECS K7S5A. The rest of her system: Radeon 9700, 1gb PC2700 RAM, ata133 hdd. My previous choices were socket 462 vs socket 754. Here are my new choices:

Socket 939
MSI K8T Neo2-F
Athlon 64 Winchester 3000+
Thermalright XP90 HS/FAN
$372

or

Socket 754
Chaintech VNF3-250
Athlon 64 Newcastle 3000+
$242

What you think??
<EDIT: main use = gaming>

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Socket 754
Chaintech VNF3-250
Athlon 64 Newcastle 3000+
$242

What you think??

:thumbsup:

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: Malladine
Socket 754
Chaintech VNF3-250
Athlon 64 Newcastle 3000+
$242

What you think??

:thumbsup:

Even knowing that the 939 has greater upgrade potential? Not that much huh?

 

[Nickel020]

When your upgrading the CPU the next time, you will probably want to upgrade the video card as well and by then you will probably have to take a PCIe card so you will need a new mobo anyway. The only thing that speaks for the 939 is the overclockability.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Nickel020
When your upgrading the CPU the next time, you will probably want to upgrade the video card as well and by then you will probably have to take a PCIe card so you will need a new mobo anyway. The only thing that speaks for the 939 is the overclockability.

Can't 939 take much faster cpus @ stock too? The FX for example? Also, why would I be forced into PCIe? I plan on upgrading to 6800 Ultra 256 when they drop to the lower $200s and that will be a huge upgrade...

 

[maxtorblaster]

Show us pics of you and your wife, prefferably your wife:camera: ! What I'm wondering is why she has a Radeon 9700PRo in her machine! Do you guys share it or somin? I would wait just a tiny bit so that more stable AMD boards based on 939 come out. Otherwise you may be kicking your self later! Go for the 939 otherwise because the latter is just goanna die soon!

 

[Sideswipe001]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: Nickel020
When your upgrading the CPU the next time, you will probably want to upgrade the video card as well and by then you will probably have to take a PCIe card so you will need a new mobo anyway. The only thing that speaks for the 939 is the overclockability.

Can't 939 take much faster cpus @ stock too? The FX for example? Also, why would I be forced into PCIe? I plan on upgrading to 6800 Ultra 256 when they drop to the lower $200s and that will be a huge upgrade...

Really it depends on how often you plan on upgrading.

939 will last longer. It will give you greater headroom to upgrade - if you plan on keeping that motherboard a long time. If, in a year or two, you will be replacing the motherboard anyway so you can switch to PCI-E, or something of that nature, you might as well get the 754 one. If you plan on keeping that motherboard longer, and want to keep being able to upgrade the CPU, then go 939.

 

[jspeicher]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: Malladine
Socket 754
Chaintech VNF3-250
Athlon 64 Newcastle 3000+
$242

What you think??

:thumbsup:

Just ordered the same setup!

 

[uOpt]

Paying extra for getting a Via chipset? No way.

 

[Comparisonman]

Go with the Socket 754, the NForce chipset is much better than the VIA. You get great performance and save money.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: maxtorblaster
Show us pics of you and your wife, prefferably your wife:camera: ! What I'm wondering is why she has a Radeon 9700PRo in her machine! Do you guys share it or somin?

heh heh. She has a 9700pro cause i've got a 9800pro

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
939 will last longer. It will give you greater headroom to upgrade - if you plan on keeping that motherboard a long time. If, in a year or two, you will be replacing the motherboard anyway so you can switch to PCI-E, or something of that nature, you might as well get the 754 one. If you plan on keeping that motherboard longer, and want to keep being able to upgrade the CPU, then go 939.

Definately more likely to stick with AGP8x for the next few yrs.

Originally posted by: Comparisonman
Go with the Socket 754, the NForce chipset is much better than the VIA. You get great performance and save money.

What about if I found an NForce 939 board in my price range? Having said this, I own a VIA KT400 board in my current PC and it's worked just fine. A little slower than nforce 2 ultra, but stable. Also, I heard that nforce 3 offers little more than Via's K8T800Pro chipset.

What kind of performance difference is there between the fastest CPU on a socket 754 board and the fastest on a socket 939 board? Link.

 

[theblackbox]

go with the 754 and the nforce3.
The 939 may be newer and nifty but isn't the 754 3000 clocked faster then the 939 3000? Plus, around 100 bucks less for the combo.
I have the 754 3000 with the msi platinum (nforce3) and love it. I'll never get another via chipset.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
go with the 754 and the nforce3.
The 939 may be newer and nifty but isn't the 754 3000 clocked faster then the 939 3000? Plus, around 100 bucks less for the combo.
I have the 754 3000 with the msi platinum (nforce3) and love it. I'll never get another via chipset.

damn what's with all the n00bs posting nowadays?
Yah, it's clock 200mhz faster. But, 939 has capacity for faster in the long run for $130 extra now. Or, as some have implied, save the money and upgrade again when PCIe provides noticeable improvement over AGP...

 

[theblackbox]

i've thought about picking up a 939 with the nforce4 so i could have pcie but right now i have a 6800gt on my amd box, and i have an intel 3.2c with a x800pro. I thought about waiting for pci-e but figured there wasno hurry since intel seemed to have flubbed so far with their new socket, ddr2, andpci-e. In a year it will be viable i am sure, but for now, i think agp does just fine.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
i've thought about picking up a 939 with the nforce4 so i could have pcie but right now i have a 6800gt on my amd box, and i have an intel 3.2c with a x800pro. I thought about waiting for pci-e but figured there wasno hurry since intel seemed to have flubbed so far with their new socket, ddr2, andpci-e. In a year it will be viable i am sure, but for now, i think agp does just fine.

:Q

 

[carpenter]

Thank God for noobs, keeps us from getting inbred. I'm looking at a 754 board and a 3000, It would last for a couple of years, like my KT3 has. By then, everything we think is the greatest stuff will be sitting in everyones basement next to the Pentium 1's.

 

[newParadigm]

I would say wait for nForce4 and get a board that ALREADY has PCI-e so you don't hafta get a new MOBO later. You would still have the option of 754 vs 939, but you would proly want the 939 anyways, as the boards with single PCI-e graphics slots and 939 were projected to be around $150.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: newParadime
I would say wait for nForce4 and get a board that ALREADY has PCI-e so you don't hafta get a new MOBO later. You would still have the option of 754 vs 939, but you would proly want the 939 anyways, as the boards with single PCI-e graphics slots and 939 were projected to be around $150.

ya, but can you show me evidence that PCIe will overtake AGP significantly in the next...3yrs?? I'm not convinced.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Replacing XP 1700+/ECS K7S5A. The rest of her system: Radeon 9700, 1gb PC2700 RAM, ata133 hdd. My previous choices were socket 462 vs socket 754. Here are my new choices:

Socket 939
MSI K8T Neo2-F
Athlon 64 Winchester 3000+
Thermalright XP90 HS/FAN
$372

or

Socket 754
Chaintech VNF3-250
Athlon 64 Newcastle 3000+
$242

What you think??
<EDIT: main use = gaming>

Is she a gamer? If not, then Socket 754 it shoudl be....or even a AthlonXP.



As for those who bash VIA and say Nforce is "much better", they are still living in the days of KT133. right now preformance difference isn't anything big or "WHOA". Via produces fine chipsets, and if anyone remembers correctly, the VIA chipset was better than the nforce3 150s but people still jiumped on nvidia because of its prior reputation.

Also what you must consider is that you should NOT wait. People who say wait to Nforce4 will soon say to wait for revision 2 of Nforce4, and then will probably say wait for NFORCE5 and how soundstorm and all these other thing will be avabliel on it.

If your wife games you may want to consider socket 939 because it will last past 3700+, which th S754 will look to end at. But byond that, go S754 if you are just looking fora PC that will last a long time without upgrade need...and even then you may want to consider good deals out there that will do just fine~ Frys has a 2500+ Semprion (probably around a 2200+ AXP) and mobo for 60 dollars...MUCH cheaper than 274

As for PCIE...don't go OUT of your way to get it It'll be a LOOONG time before we switch. Remember, a year and a hafl ago we were all supposed to have BTX, PCIE graphics cards, and the next in line int he netburst architecture We were all supposed to have dumped DDR for DDR-2 right now, and agree wth intel that 64bit processing is atleast 5-6 years away.
When PCIE does have real usefl benefits that don't exceed more than 5% (hell right now its tied!) your current PC will be loooong outdated. Right now, PCIE is showing us that we haven't come anywhere near needing it because 8xAGP is nowhere near saturated~

 

[terraphile]

just get a 754 mobo like the vnf-250 IT's totatally decked out with everything and it only 70 dollars.. upgrade your mobo the next time up upgrade ur cpu

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Malladine
Replacing XP 1700+/ECS K7S5A. The rest of her system: Radeon 9700, 1gb PC2700 RAM, ata133 hdd. My previous choices were socket 462 vs socket 754. Here are my new choices:

Socket 939
MSI K8T Neo2-F
Athlon 64 Winchester 3000+
Thermalright XP90 HS/FAN
$372

or

Socket 754
Chaintech VNF3-250
Athlon 64 Newcastle 3000+
$242

What you think??
<EDIT: main use = gaming>

Is she a gamer? If not, then Socket 754 it shoudl be....or even a AthlonXP.



As for those who bash VIA and say Nforce is "much better", they are still living in the days of KT133. right now preformance difference isn't anything big or "WHOA". Via produces fine chipsets, and if anyone remembers correctly, the VIA chipset was better than the nforce3 150s but people still jiumped on nvidia because of its prior reputation.

Also what you must consider is that you should NOT wait. People who say wait to Nforce4 will soon say to wait for revision 2 of Nforce4, and then will probably say wait for NFORCE5 and how soundstorm and all these other thing will be avabliel on it.

If your wife games you may want to consider socket 939 because it will last past 3700+, which th S754 will look to end at. But byond that, go S754 if you are just looking fora PC that will last a long time without upgrade need...and even then you may want to consider good deals out there that will do just fine~ Frys has a 2500+ Semprion (probably around a 2200+ AXP) and mobo for 60 dollars...MUCH cheaper than 274

As for PCIE...don't go OUT of your way to get it It'll be a LOOONG time before we switch. Remember, a year and a hafl ago we were all supposed to have BTX, PCIE graphics cards, and the next in line int he netburst architecture We were all supposed to have dumped DDR for DDR-2 right now, and agree wth intel that 64bit processing is atleast 5-6 years away.
When PCIE does have real usefl benefits that don't exceed more than 5% (hell right now its tied!) your current PC will be loooong outdated. Right now, PCIE is showing us that we haven't come anywhere near needing it because 8xAGP is nowhere near saturated~

Yup. And yes, she's a gamer. Will be ordering this stuff near the end of the year. Right now i'm leaning towards the 939 board definately, if she'll agree to spending that much We'd originally budgeted $300 for her upgrade.

 

[theblackbox]

i'm a gamer and the 754 is more then enough for high quality gaming. Right now 939 only offers a little increase <6% with dual channel ram from what i have read,and nothing else that makes it better, unless you plan on buying another cpu later on to upgrade it. I have always been the kind that when i am going to buy a new cpu, i'm going to get a new motherboard with it, so being able to buy an upgrade cpu a year from now on the year old mobo doesn't excite me. i don't like to have extra cpus laying around, i'd rather buy a new amd 64 next year, a new motherboard, and find a good use for the current one, if i see it's worthwhile to upgrade.
Thats why i still have my 3.2c intel on it's 865, because the 925 isn't worth the jump for me, and honestly, 939 isn't really either.

As a new purchase, i'd rather save the 100 bucks for something else because the gains in dual channel are marginal considering the 939 3000 is 1.8 and the 754 2.0, unless the 939 is that much more of an overclocker..but hey,thats me.
You're the one with the money

 

[Malladine]

blackbox: I tend to keep motherboards for years, upgrading the cpus incrementally until they're "maxed out." As such, upgradeability is more important to me. Overclocking is another issue though. I don't overclock. If a major reason to go to 939 instead of 754 turns out to be overclocking capability that will be a turn off.

 

[theblackbox]

my only fear about upgradability is amd will move the next generation of cpus, their dual core cpus, to even a different pin platform, forcing us to change again. it's a trend amd has started and i don't see it changing.
either way, you can't go wrong, it justcomes down to what you want to pay.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
my only fear about upgradability is amd will move the next generation of cpus, their dual core cpus, to even a different pin platform, forcing us to change again. it's a trend amd has started and i don't see it changing.
either way, you can't go wrong, it justcomes down to what you want to pay.

well that would suck, except that generally I don't care about keeping up with the latest technology. As long as my motherboard/cpu option lasts me 2+yrs i'm satisfied.