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Sociopath JFKerry: "Israel risks becoming an apartheid state if peace talks fail"

Anarchist420

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I dont know what the fuck he is trying to say given the State of Israel is a Caste State (Polish/Lithuanian-descended Jews at the top, then Immigrant Jews and their families, then the black migrant workers next to last, with the Palestinian Arabs being the "untouchables")... it is not an Apartheid State.

Perhaps more importantly, the U.S.G shouldnt even exist let alone be intervening in foreign affairs.

And JFKerry can take the "peace talks" and shove them up his bloody ass.🙂
 
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Someone said something negative about israel, oh the outrage.

Israel is facing a lot of problems. Not just external problems but also internal problems.

Israel simply can not stay in a constant state of conflict.

Over the next 30 - 40 years israel is looking at some radical changes to its demographics. Chances are israel will no longer be able to sustain a conflict. Peace is their only option.
 
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I dont know what the fuck he is trying to say given the State of Israel is a Caste State (Polish/Lithuanian-descended Jews at the top, then Immigrant Jews and their families, then the black migrant workers next to last, with the Palestinian Arabs being the "untouchables")... it is not an Apartheid State.

Perhaps more importantly, the U.S.G shouldnt even exist let alone be intervening in foreign affairs.

And JFKerry can take the "peace talks" and shove them up his bloody ass.🙂

No meds today?
 
Over the next 30 - 40 years israel is looking at some radical changes to its demographics. Chances are israel will no longer be able to sustain a conflict. Peace is their only option.
they can stave off that demographic change if they start another war against the palestinians. i am going to say that the State of Israel has at least another 125 years before the palestinians take over the land. the irish occupation was from the mid 1600s to 1922 and the dutch occupation was at least 250 years too.
 
they can stave off that demographic change if they start another war against the palestinians.

The demographics I was referring to was the ultra-orthodox population.

A great number of ultra-orthodox do not serve in the military, and they are drawing government benefits.

The ultra-orthodox is out breeding the non ultra-orthodox population. It is just a matter of a couple of generations and israel is going to be facing shortages of military personal and welfare cost.

It is in the best interest of israel to get a peace treaty done as soon as possible.
 
What Kerry didn't say is that Israel is already an apartheid state, has been for a long time.

Their encroachment on the West Bank is so thorough as to make a Palestinian State functionally impossible. If the Pals are to get anything other than the usual runaround of the last 40 years, they need to demand full Israeli citizenship & equal rights. They live under Israeli rule, probably always will, so they should have an equal voice.
 
"According to the 1998 Rome Statute, the “crime of apartheid” is defined as “inhumane acts… committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”"
 
What Kerry didn't say is that Israel is already an apartheid state, has been for a long time.

Their encroachment on the West Bank is so thorough as to make a Palestinian State functionally impossible. If the Pals are to get anything other than the usual runaround of the last 40 years, they need to demand full Israeli citizenship & equal rights. They live under Israeli rule, probably always will, so they should have an equal voice.
again your definition of apartheid is made up and contrived in order to attempt to say that it represents Israel...nice try!!
We have been through this before and if I recall correctly you lost previously!
 
What Kerry didn't say is that Israel is already an apartheid state, has been for a long time.

Their encroachment on the West Bank is so thorough as to make a Palestinian State functionally impossible. If the Pals are to get anything other than the usual runaround of the last 40 years, they need to demand full Israeli citizenship & equal rights. They live under Israeli rule, probably always will, so they should have an equal voice.

This.
 
What Kerry didn't say is that Israel is already an apartheid state, has been for a long time. Their encroachment on the West Bank is so thorough as to make a Palestinian State functionally impossible. If the Pals are to get anything other than the usual runaround of the last 40 years, they need to demand full Israeli citizenship & equal rights. They live under Israeli rule, probably always will, so they should have an equal voice.
the State of Israel is not an apartheid State. it is a caste state... it is about power. american jews get second rate education, housing, and jobs when they move to israel because the established (israeli) jews dont want to give up their own wealth. then black africans get third rate jobs in israel, but they leave once they are done with their work because they realize they arent welcome. as for the palestinians, they're largely ignored unless they kill people.
And the palestinians will not always live under Israeli rule because the Romans arent living under the rule of the Irish and the South Africans are not living under the rule of the dutch.
 
I love the contrast between this thread and palin. The liberal circle jerk that is ripping a non government official for her comments. But there idiot(s) in actual positions of power say something... and bam, silence.
 
What Kerry didn't say is that Israel is already an apartheid state, has been for a long time.

Their encroachment on the West Bank is so thorough as to make a Palestinian State functionally impossible. If the Pals are to get anything other than the usual runaround of the last 40 years, they need to demand full Israeli citizenship & equal rights. They live under Israeli rule, probably always will, so they should have an equal voice.

The Palestinians made their choices many years ago.
They did not want there to be an Israeli state then and many still do not.

Until they develop a legitimate government and that government & people decide to live alongside an Israeli state; the status quo will continue.

The UN chose to not help Israel any time after her birth, so what lip service is done now is ignored.
 
Pppfttt,... as if Israel ever cared what anyone ever thought.

OP, you are trying to defend a mountain after a gust of wind blew a grain of sand on it.
 
I love the contrast between this thread and palin. The liberal circle jerk that is ripping a non government official for her comments. But there idiot(s) in actual positions of power say something... and bam, silence.
Okay, I'll break the silence. Israel is already an apartheid state and has been for decades. Kerry was wrong to state that Israel risks becoming an apartheid state as that has long since come to pass. Kerry should speak truthfully wrt Israel. Hope you feel better now.
 
Seems like common knowledge. If you google Israel & apartheid and set your date range to before Kerry said anything you can find countless references.

http://iacknowledge.net/10-alarming-quotes-that-prove-israel-is-an-apartheid-state/

Eli Yishai, Former Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister, blaming the 2012 Tel Aviv race riots on the victims of the racially motivated attacks.
Southern Tel Aviv has become the country’s garbage can…I’d suggest to all those bleeding hearts who speak out against me to take a few dozen infiltrators and house them in their neighbourhoods. Let them see them every day; let their children try to play in the playgrounds they’re in…Yesterday, a woman called me. Two Sudanese men chased her in the alleyways of Jerusalem. It could have ended in rape. Did you know that there are a lot of women in Tel Aviv who have been raped but are afraid to complain so that they don’t get stigmatised as Aids carriers?
 
again your definition of apartheid is made up and contrived in order to attempt to say that it represents Israel...nice try!!
We have been through this before and if I recall correctly you lost previously!

Only in your own mind & the usual Hasbara trolling. You attempt to dance on the head of a rhetorical pin to describe Official Israeli racism as "not-racism" & the contrived prison state of Palestine as somehow free when it's not at all. Expropriation of Palestinian resources is ongoing, relentless. Their lives ruled by arbitrary checkpoints opened & closed on the basis of whim, roads they can't use, restrictions on housing development that are as monstrous as the separation wall-

http://electronicintifada.net/content/it-fence-it-wall-no-its-separation-barrier/4715

It's a tribute to the skills of Zionist propaganda that this country has supported Israel at all. If they weren't Jewish, we'd have condemned them long ago. They continue in the spirit of their own past oppressors, only stopping short of mass murder.
 
No hyperbole necessary. Israel has and continues to illegally colonise extra-territorial lands beyond the legal jurisdiction of the State of Israel, while segregating, denying freedom, liberty, and the national identity of the native population oppressed by Israeli expansionist control.
"According to the 1998 Rome Statute, the “crime of apartheid” is defined as “inhumane acts… committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”"
Thank you, that is correct and Israeli occupational control of the State of Palestinian already meets the criteria for the Crime of Apartheid:

International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid, G.A. res. 3068 (XXVIII)), 28 U.N. GAOR Supp. (No. 30) at 75, U.N. Doc. A/9030 (1974), 1015 U.N.T.S. 243, entered into force July 18, 1976.


Considering the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, in which the General Assembly stated that the process of liberation is irresistible and irreversible and that, in the interests of human dignity, progress and justice, an end must be put to colonialism and all practices of segregation and discrimination associated therewith,

Observing that, in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, certain acts which may also be qualified as acts of apartheid constitute a crime under international law,

Observing
that, in the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity, "inhuman acts resulting from the policy of apartheid" are qualified as crimes against humanity, Observing that the General Assembly of the United Nations has adopted a number of resolutions in which the policies and practices of apartheid are condemned as a crime against humanity,

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Article II
For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of
apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

(a) Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:

..

(iii) By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;

(b) Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;

(c) Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;

...

d) Any measures including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;

..

(f) Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid.
As the State of Palestinian (a status derived by being party to and recognised by international bodies and the majority of states) continues the moves to integration and membership to bodies, treatises, and , equalising pressure is brought against the occupying power of Israel and Palestinians for illegal extra-territorial actions upon each other.

As Israel prefers the status quo to maintain its policy militarily expansions-Zionism, or more historically equitable to lebensraum,
"Suddenly we are short of space here in Israel, which has become full to capacity and needs lebensraum. Every cultured person knows that this is a despicable German concept, banned from use because of the associations it brings up. Still, people are starting to use it, if not outright then with a clear implication: We are short of land, we are short of air, let us breathe in this country."
Israel has set itself up for a justifiable critique and likely eventual criminal indictment for its actions. The State of Palestinian, being under colonising occupation and its people enduring under Crimes of Apartheid, may peacefully seek a just recourse of participating and then appealing to international bodies. This is a reasonable course that began a few years and will continue to the panicking shagrin of the current leadership of Israel.
 
OP are you Jewish? You sound like a butthurt Zionist. And hilarious that you deem Israel not an Apartheid state. Desmond Tutu, an old anti-Apartheid fighter has publicly said that Israel is worse than Apartheid South Africa.

All societies have castes/segmentation. Israel is not alone in that. But far from all societies illegally occupy millions of people while depriving them the ability to vote.

Edit: just went through OP's thread starting list. Here he is clamoring for notorious 5th column traitor & Israel Firster Jonathan Pollard:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2376846&highlight=

Yep, definitely a butthurt Zionist and an avid defender of a viciously racist Apartheid state.
 
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