Society of Civil Engineers accused of coverups in WTC/Katrina investigations

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http://www.ajc.com/news/conten...mbattledEngineers.html
NEW ORLEANS ? The professional organization for engineers who build the nation's roads, dams and bridges has been accused by fellow engineers of covering up catastrophic design flaws while investigating national disasters.

After the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center and the levee failures caused by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the federal government paid the American Society of Civil Engineers to investigate what went wrong.

Critics now accuse the group of covering up engineering mistakes, downplaying the need to alter building standards, and using the investigations to protect engineers and government agencies from lawsuits.

Similar accusations arose after both disasters, but the most recent allegations have pressured the organization to convene an independent panel to investigate.

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The panel is expected to issue a report by the end of April and may recommend that the society stop taking money from government agencies for disaster investigations.

The engineering group says it takes the allegations seriously, but it has declined to comment until completion of the panel's report and an internal ethics review.

In the World Trade Center case, critics contend the engineering society wrongly concluded skyscrapers cannot withstand getting hit by airplanes. In the hurricane investigation, it was accused of suggesting that the power of the storm was as big a problem as the poorly designed levees.
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The society got a $1.1 million grant from the Army Corps of Engineers to study the levee failures. Similarly, the Federal Emergency Management Agency paid the group about $257,000 to investigate the World Trade Center collapse.
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Raymond Seed, a levee expert at the University of California, Berkeley, was among the first to question the society's involvement. He was on a team funded by the National Science Foundation to study the New Orleans flood.
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Seed accused the engineering society and the Army Corps of collusion, writing an Oct. 20 letter alleging that the two organizations worked together "to promulgate misleading studies and statements, to subvert appropriate independent investigations ... to literally attempt to change some of the critical apparent answers regarding lessons to be learned."
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Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a structural engineer and forensics expert, contends his computer simulations disprove the society's findings that skyscrapers could not be designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner.

Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers.
Lots of snippage above. Anyways, I never saw this on the news or anywhere, so it's a little less than a week old. The topic and description kind of say it all. I am interested to see what the findings conclude at the end of April. I remember hearing a long time ago of conspiracy theories being flung about regarding the twin towers. Just never thought it would end up being an internal review and accusations by their own engineers. Thoughts?
 

alphatarget1

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Katrina, yes that was just a big engineering failure.

But designing every skyscraper so that they can withstand jet impact is frankly foolish. That would require extra money (lots of it). Protecting planes so they don't fly into buildings in the first place is much better.
 

Harvey

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If you're blowing more conspiracy theories put down the pipe and grab a large helping of reality. They're just playing CYA over possible engineering errors. From the article:

Critics now accuse the group of covering up engineering mistakes, downplaying the need to alter building standards, and using the investigations to protect engineers and government agencies from lawsuits.

As bad as it would be if true, it wasn't a conspiracy to bring down the towers.