Soccer team is banned after quitting tournament after terror attack

Dari

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This is sickening. The team is told to play in a warzone. They get attacked in the warzone where some of their people die. Their government tells them to quit the tourney and they get punished for quitting. The Caf is a disgrace of an organization.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8489127.stm

Togo given Africa Nations Cup ban
Togo have been banned from the next two Africa Cup of Nations following their withdrawal from this year's tournament.

The Confederation of African football (Caf) also fined the Hawks $50,000 for quitting the competition in the wake of a gun attack on the team bus in Angola.

Two members of their delegation were killed in the ambush, which occurred on 8 February, two days before the start of the tournament.

The Togo government is furious over the decision, threatening legal action.

"This is a surprise decision and it means that people (Caf) have no consideration for the lives of other human beings," Togo Interior Minister Pascal Bodjona told BBC Sport.

"This is insulting to the family of those who lost their lives and those traumatised because of the attack.

"We had two people dead and others suffered so if those people at Caf had any consideration for others I don't think at this time this is a reasonable decision.

"We are awaiting the official notification and we are going to take legal action to resolve the matter."

World football governing body Fifa declined to comment on the ban.

A statement from Caf read: "The executive committee has banned Togo from the next two African Nations Cup and fined the Togo FA 50,000 U.S. dollars."

A Togolese assistant coach and a press officer died following the ambush on their bus in the northern Angolan province of Cabinda on 8 January, prompting the government to recall the team for three days of mourning.

The Hawks initially wanted to compete in Group B with Ivory Coast, Ghana and Burkina Faso, but quit on 10 January - the tournament's start date - on 10 January on their national government's orders.

But African football's governing body says the decision to pull the team out amounted to governmental interference in the sport.

"The players publicly expressed their willingness to return to the Nations Cup to compete. But the Togo government decided to call back their national team," Caf explained in its statement.

"The decision by political authorities contravenes Caf and African Nations Cup regulations."

Togo midfielder Thomas Dossevi, who was on the bus when it came under fire minutes after it crossed the Angolan border from Pointe Noire, Congo, said Togo should appeal against the ban.

"We are a group of footballers who came under fire and now we can't play football any more. They are crushing us," Dossevi said.

"Togo should appeal the suspension. When we said we were going home for a three-day mourning they said they were with us in this ordeal and now they punish us."

Meanwhile, the families of the assistant coach and the press officer were taking legal action against the Caf and the Angolan state, their lawyer said.

"We are taking legal action because our compatriots were killed because of the mistakes of the Confederation of African Football (and) its president Mr Issa Hayatou," lawyer Alexis Aquereburu said.

"(The legal claim is) also against the Angolan state for putting in danger the life of our compatriots by organising this African Nations Cup in a war zone."

The armed wing of the Front for the Liberation of the Enclave of Cabinda (FLEC), embroiled in a decades-long separatist struggle, claimed responsibility for the attack.

The FLEC has fought a 30-year war against Angola's government for independence.

One grievance is that Cabindans see little of the money from oil that comes from their land.
 
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UncleWai

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Good day mister,

i am lawyer from togo fighting a lawsuit for my peoples' futbol team. If win government of togo will win $100 million. But right now my people is poor and don't have enough money to finish lawsuit, i propose to pay $10 million to you after the lawsuit if you wire credit union to government of togo usd$100.000.

God speed,
lawyer from togo
 

Double Trouble

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Good day mister,

i am lawyer from togo fighting a lawsuit for my peoples' futbol team. If win government of togo will win $100 million. But right now my people is poor and don't have enough money to finish lawsuit, i propose to pay $10 million to you after the lawsuit if you wire credit union to government of togo usd$100.000.

God speed,
lawyer from togo

:biggrin:

Sucks for the players and all, but me thinks Africa has much bigger problems to deal with before this kind of stuff.
 

iCyborg

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The reason for this is that government interference is against FIFA's rules. It wasn't the players or the Togoan national association that decided to quit - it was a direct order from the government. They should have or should have not quit, but it wasn't the government's call, these are the rules they agreed on.
 

Dari

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The reason for this is that government interference is against FIFA's rules. It wasn't the players or the Togoan national association that decided to quit - it was a direct order from the government. They should have or should have not quit, but it wasn't the government's call, these are the rules they agreed on.

How can the players or the association make these decisions in good conscience when it was an anti-government group that attacked these players? Also, why did the Angolan government fail to protect these players? These players had no choice but to defer to their national government wrt this issue.
 

iCyborg

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Yes, the players had no choice, and it's not their fault although they are affected the most. But the text clearly says that the team wanted to compete, but were not allowed by their government and ordered to pull back. This is direct interference into FIFA's competition by the government and this breaks FIFA's rules which every member association signed. I didn't make the policy, nor sign it, I'm just saying how things are legally...

Also, why did the Angolan government fail to protect these players?

This is like asking why did German government fail to protect Israelis in Munich 1972. Not really related to sports...
 

Dari

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Yes, the players had no choice, and it's not their fault although they are affected the most. But the text clearly says that the team wanted to compete, but were not allowed by their government and ordered to pull back. This is direct interference into FIFA's competition by the government and this breaks FIFA's rules which every member association signed. I didn't make the policy, nor sign it, I'm just saying how things are legally...



This is like asking why did German government fail to protect Israelis in Munich 1972. Not really related to sports...

Well, you cannot have it both ways. You want gov't help in terms of protection but do not seek its opinion after a major terror act? IMHO, the team is not capable of making such a decision after such an incident. Surely, the FIFA's rules should not be so aloof as to exclude certain actions.
 

iCyborg

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Sure, you can. If you want gov't to be able to help make decisions for the team, then you don't sign FIFA's document that forbids that and you don't compete in competitions under FIFA's jurisdiction.
 

sjwaste

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FIFA won't do shit. FIFA exists to protect the interest of the big dozen or so teams, and I'm saying this as a huge supporter of the Italian squad.

If you need any context, just look at the France-Ireland qualifier. Any organization with integrity would have made them replay the match.

In summary, FIFA makes the NBA and NCAA BCS look clean.
 

Dari

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Sure, you can. If you want gov't to be able to help make decisions for the team, then you don't sign FIFA's document that forbids that and you don't compete in competitions under FIFA's jurisdiction.

That's an extremely simplistic way of thinking. It's also stupid because it leaves no room for extraordinary events like this. I understand their reason behind the rules but having such a hardline position no matter what makes you wonder if they don't care about their image. So if half the team had died and wanted to play but the gov't said no, they still would've been banned? What kind of craziness is that?
 

iCyborg

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And why is it that the players who were there and who were the ones on the line wanted to play? Do you think they're so stupid and incapable of knowing what's good for them? Or anyone in CAF/FIFA? Because this opens a dangerous precedent which is why this rule exists in the first place - a few years ago there was a case of some team (it was a club afaik) refusing to play an away game in Israel using pretty much the same argument (we don't feel safe...). All other teams played normally there, so it was fairly obvious that it was a political thing. They got punished too (the game was registered as lost I believe).

Once again, I'm not arguing whether it was the right decision to make, but that it wasn't up to the govt to make that decision. If you think that's crazy, then you don't agree to such policy, simple as that.

@alkemyst
It wasn't the athletes who were "pansies", the govt made them quit
 

Dari

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And why is it that the players who were there and who were the ones on the line wanted to play? Do you think they're so stupid and incapable of knowing what's good for them? Or anyone in CAF/FIFA? Because this opens a dangerous precedent which is why this rule exists in the first place - a few years ago there was a case of some team (it was a club afaik) refusing to play an away game in Israel using pretty much the same argument (we don't feel safe...). All other teams played normally there, so it was fairly obvious that it was a political thing. They got punished too (the game was registered as lost I believe).

Once again, I'm not arguing whether it was the right decision to make, but that it wasn't up to the govt to make that decision. If you think that's crazy, then you don't agree to such policy, simple as that.

@alkemyst
It wasn't the athletes who were "pansies", the govt made them quit

You are defending them. I think it's really crazy for a team to be banned after it's gov't stop them from continuing playing in a tourney where they were attacked and some of their mates were killed. No playing in Israel for political reasons is one thing. But having associates killed in an ambush in the host country is quite another. I'm surprise you equate the two.
 

iCyborg

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I thought I was making myself clear, but I guess not. Let's say employees of a jewellery store catch a thief and sentence him to be locked in their basement for one month. It may be a proper punishment, but it wasn't up to the store to carry it out. It's simply that the application of the non-interference rule isn't up to the govt on a case-to-case basis.

And I'm not equating as I have no sufficient information, e.g. are you sure that in Israel case it was mainly a political thing (there are terrorist attacks there too to base your argument on) and that Togo govt decision did not have background political reasons (were they in a continued danger e.g.?)? Where do we draw the line? I'm just saying that there's a political entity responsible for making such decisions regarding FIFA's sports events, and for better or worse, these are not national governments. Take it as you will and call this policy crazy, but member countries agreed to it.
 

KMFJD

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Did the Togo team really take the bus all the way from Lome to Angola? or did they fly in?