So you HAVE to OC to play ANY games and you dont know how...

[EliteRetard]

Acording to a thread here, your system is ALWAYS CPU bottle necked at any resolution in any game. You have to OC your CPU if you want to game. I personally think this is freakin retarded, but none the less...what if you dont know how to OC or build your own rig? Does that mean you dont deserve to game? What kind of stuck up a**oles are you guys (Im being sarcastic)?

I have a freind out of state (military) that needs a new PC but doesnt know how to build or OC one (and Ive never succesfully OC'd) . His choices are a cheap dell with no gaming potential or a 1500$+ "gaming PC". Where the heck are the 500-750$ PCs that are OC'd to be as fast as that 1500$ machine? If its as guarantted as you guys make it sound should a professional be able to OC quickly and easily to a decent and safe level? As in not some ungodly massive markup? I want to see a true 1000$ gaming PC for those of us who cant do it ourselves. Like a triple core phenom 2 OC'd to say 3.5GHz with a 4890 or maybe a 2x1GB 4850 Xfire...

 

[Billb2]

Overclocking isn't that hard to do. At least a mild OC is pretty easy. Anything beyond that get into a lot of maintenance though.

Spend the time or spend the money.

 

[IlllI]

well you dont HAVE to do anything. just people who want to squeeze as much out of their system as they can.

ps. why is he limited to only two choices?

 

[EliteRetard]

Originally posted by: Billb2
Overclocking isn't that hard to do. At least a mild OC is pretty easy. Anything beyond that get into a lot of maintenance though.

Spend the time or spend the money.

Overclocking is starting to sound like a conspiracy to me...from the old celeron era to the northwood P4s and AMD barton chips to AMD 64 opterons and FX chips (I cant even OC by increasing the multi!) to the C2D's like an E6600 and E5200.

I have always purchased top quality parts with the intent of overclocking and not once have I ever been able to get a stable overclocked system no matter what I did or which guide I followed. (things like P4C800-E deluxe and A7N8X-E deluxe to MSI K8N-Neo4 to Gigabyte GA 965P-DS3 and ridiculous RAM like Corsairs XMS with LEDs)

And so far all the aftermarket coolers Ive tried have ben complete garbage...how the freakin hell do you guys get a flat surface to mount the dang things? I spent 4 hours trying to flatten out a CPU cooler and for the life of me I couldnt sand the farkin thing flat! What do you guys go out and buy some laser cut super precision flat bar sander thing? Whatever I tried the sandpaper would always sand unevenly or at an angle. I even tried just sanding the edges so the middle would stick up and make contact. I eventually had to use smoothed out tinfoil to mount the dang thing just so I could boot up without the chip overheating.

Overall overclocking has been a horrible failure and seems pretty much impossible to me. And please dont tell me Im an idiot and was doing something wrong...I have spent the money and many many many hours doing the research and effort to make things work.

Like I said, my friend needs a gaming PC...I cant build it for him because hes out of state and I dont have the supplies or skill to pack and ship a full system. And I have yet to find a manufacturer that actually makes a reasonable gaming PC for 1000$. What I have seen is crap like a stock E8400 and 9800GT at the 1000$ level...massive fail! Even if it werent overclocked, why is there such a massive ungodly markup on "gaming PCs"?!

I really do thing is arrogant and stuck up for you guys to stay spend the time or the money. Not everyone is a computer wiz and not everyone has money to just throw away. If you guys can build a good gaming computer for 800$ why cant you share it with us? Theres no way it should cost 200$ to build the thing...let alone the 3-500$ markup most charge. And thats for a basic system that has no overclock.

So Im asking, is there at least one reasonable decent fair comany out there offering a good gaming PC at a good price? One at or under 1000$? I know you can get a good CPU retail for under 150$ MOBO 125$ 4GB RAM 50$ Video card 1-200$ PSU 75$ Case 50$ DVD drives 25$ HDD 75$ total= 750$. Build fee 100$, and its still under 1000$. Thats for a pretty maxed out rig with dual GPUs ect (1-2X 4770s/1GB 4850s or 4890).

And this is based on retail prices, vendors should be paying less for the parts and therefore have some profit on each piece already.

*RAWR!*

 

[bamacre]

This is the funniest thread I've seen in weeks. :laugh:

 

[bamacre]

http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBO...&c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22

http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBO...?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

 

[IlllI]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard

Overclocking is starting to sound like a conspiracy to me...

well not quite. i think people do/did it to save money. taking cheaper parts and pushing them a little to gain performance on par with more expensive parts.

i remember back in the day a 700mhz cpu costing $800, so if you could -almost- get the same with a $600 part, then why pay more if you didnt have to?

If you guys can build a good gaming computer for 800$ why cant you share it with us? Theres no way it should cost 200$ to build the thing...let alone the 3-500$ markup most charge. And thats for a basic system that has no overclock.

you forget companies also tend to offer warranties. thats partially where the markup comes from. also time and labor assembling the system

 

[DaveSimmons]

An E8400 at stock is fine for gaming, it's what I've been using since last July along with an ATI 4870 512MB, 4GB RAM, WD 640GB HD, P43 chipset gigabyte motherboard.

FYI, you can get an E8400 / nv 9800GT system for $585 here (though with a cheap Aprevia PSU):
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

 

[Billb2]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard*RAWR!*

Uh hu!

 

[EliteRetard]

Originally posted by: Billb2

Originally posted by: EliteRetard*RAWR!*

Uh hu!

Yeah thats right!

I just get worked up when I know im getting the crap end of the stick, I do my best to avoid it but I still dont get the same value out of my systems as most of you do. And then to see how horrific the pricing is for someone who cant build one...:shocked: That makes me angry, and you wouldnt like me when Im angry!

Its nice to see the prices on broken computers is somewhat close to new parts...

And see, thats where I think this mystical overclocking would come in nice...the systems there are O.K. but when you all say you can hit 4.5GHz the stock 3GHz sounds kinda lame. Why couldnt they help us out and do a quic OC to give us a bit more juice? Apparently its easy to do and even a 500MHz boost should be safe with stock cooling and voltages. That would give us better bang for the buck and a reason to choose that system over another.

So wheres that Phenom2 X3 @ 3.5GHz 4GB DDR2 4890OC'd 1TB HDD system for 1000$? Im still waiting...

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PLUS 33% markup...how is that not a good deal for them?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
Acording to a thread here, your system is ALWAYS CPU bottle necked at any resolution in any game. You have to OC your CPU if you want to game. I personally think this is freakin retarded

You are complaining about this in a forum where enthusiasts hang out?

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
Where the heck are the 500-750$ PCs that are OC'd to be as fast as that 1500$ machine? If its as guarantted as you guys make it sound should a professional be able to OC quickly and easily to a decent and safe level? As in not some ungodly massive markup?

Those PCs are available... you just have to build them yourself. Nothing is guaranteed. If you believe that, then I have a special gasoline additive I'd like to sell you that will boost your gas mileage anywhere from 3x to 10x!!! Buy now!!! 3 easy payments!!!

As for markup, a "professional" will have to have a decent markup to stay in business. As you said yourself, "not once have I ever been able to get a stable overclocked system." If someone sells an overclocked computer as a business, then there HAS to be enough markup to be able to offer a warranty that covers the overclock.

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
why is there such a massive ungodly markup on "gaming PCs"?!

Why is there such a massive ungodly markup on "performance cars?" Where are the brand new $15,000 cars that can do 0-60MPH in 5 seconds? Why do all the car manufacturers have such ridiculous markups? I mean really, a Subaru WRX STI for $35,000 when really it is the same car as the base $15,000 Subaru Impreza, just overclocked a little bit with a turbo. C'mon! Sheesh! I'm still waiting!

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
And see, thats where I think this mystical overclocking would come in nice...the systems there are O.K. but when you all say you can hit 4.5GHz the stock 3GHz sounds kinda lame. Why couldnt they help us out and do a quic OC to give us a bit more juice? Apparently its easy to do and even a 500MHz boost should be safe with stock cooling and voltages. That would give us better bang for the buck and a reason to choose that system over another.

Well I see what your problem is now... you actually believed what people say on the internet! Listen, someone's "4.5GHz absolutely stable" means he was able to boot into Windows at dangerous voltages just to grab a CPU-Z validation and a Super PI number.

Sure, my own Q9450 is overclocked and 100% stable, and by that I mean I use it all the time and have ZERO problems. None.

Am I at 4.5GHz? Not even close. 3.2GHz, which is probably the lowest overclock that anyone on these forums are willing to admit to.

That's the other thing... you always hear about high overclocks because only the people who are able to get those are the ones bragging about it online. The people who don't get good overclocks don't go around bragging about it.

Sure, I've bragged about my 90nm Athlon x2 "San Diego" core that I ran for over a year overclocked to 3.12GHz. Guess what? I bought around SIX different CPUs and just kept the best overclocker (lowest maxed out at around 2.6-2.7GHz).

Selling computers as a business IS a business. As such, it is not productive (as in profitable) to sell someone a $750 system that is overclocked to the level of a $1000 system. Why? Because... that would take away sales of the $1000 system.

If you really can't build your own, then you have to find an experienced enthusiast local to you (or in this case your friend) who can build such a system. The "catch" is that there won't be any "system" warranty on it, so if your friend is not the type to troubleshoot his own computer and RMA parts out of it, then it is not a good idea.

Originally posted by: bamacre
This is the funniest thread I've seen in weeks. :laugh:

Actually I think it is a really sad thread. Sad because the OP does not assign value to knowledge, skill and experience. For instance:

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
Not everyone is a computer wiz and not everyone has money to just throw away. If you guys can build a good gaming computer for 800$ why cant you share it with us?

 

[EliteRetard]

OH BURN! I got OWn3zD!

Why is there such a massive ungodly markup on "performance cars?" Where are the brand new $15,000 cars that can do 0-60MPH in 5 seconds? Why do all the car manufacturers have such ridiculous markups? I mean really, a Subaru WRX STI for $35,000 when really it is the same car as the base $15,000 Subaru Impreza, just overclocked a little bit with a turbo. C'mon! Sheesh! I'm still waiting!

Exactly! Why does a turbo cost 20,000$?!

Selling computers as a business IS a business. As such, it is not productive (as in profitable) to sell someone a $750 system that is overclocked to the level of a $1000 system. Why? Because... that would take away sales of the $1000 system.

I see...so maybe Ill have to start my own businees and take away all the sales of those other machines! *evil grin* BWAHAHA!

But honestly, I dont get this part:

Originally posted by: bamacre
This is the funniest thread I've seen in weeks.

Actually I think it is a really sad thread. Sad because the OP does not assign value to knowledge, skill and experience. For instance:

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
Not everyone is a computer wiz and not everyone has money to just throw away. If you guys can build a good gaming computer for 800$ why cant you share it with us?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Like Zap points out, massive overclocks are not guaranteed and many who claim to have a stable overclock really do not.

But I pointed you to a $585 budget-brand PC that matched the specs you said would cost $1,000, so maybe you've been looking at the wrong brands.

 

[IlllI]

i think the name EliteRetard really suits you

 

[Aarondeep]

To be honest, i haven't been able to get a crazy overclock since the old school celeron 366 to ~700mhz days. Take what forum overclocks do with a grain of salt. I just gave up on it.
Who cares if someone else has a faster system on the forum than you. What I find myself doing is going for last years greatest tech this year.

Prices are much better, you can build a SLI 9800GT system with an intel 8400 for a damn good price these days.

 

[wwswimming]

OC'ing can be VERY time-consuming.

Jeez, even an E6850 (3 GHz) is fast enough for a lot of things.

unless you're running Vista, of course. :sun:

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
OH BURN! I got OWn3zD!

Why is there such a massive ungodly markup on "performance cars?" Where are the brand new $15,000 cars that can do 0-60MPH in 5 seconds? Why do all the car manufacturers have such ridiculous markups? I mean really, a Subaru WRX STI for $35,000 when really it is the same car as the base $15,000 Subaru Impreza, just overclocked a little bit with a turbo. C'mon! Sheesh! I'm still waiting!

Exactly! Why does a turbo cost 20,000$?!

Since when was the only difference between a WRX STI and an Impreza a turbo charger? You're an IDIOT and that's why you deserve the name you have.

1. It's not the only part they just throw on as the upgrade. There are other parts that are upgraded as far as the suspension, transmission and other engine components that cost money.

2. They have to spend R&D time to try different parts, design new parts, work with vendors to get said parts, then do testing to make sure these new parts work with the engine and don't fail. They also do tuning. Do you own a dyno to tune all of these parts and try and find the best ones that work together to give the most power? Guess that should all be free?

3. The assembly line also has to be updated because they adding/changing parts that are being installed. It now takes longer to build the engines because they are including a Turbo charger. So what about the labor, planning of changes to the line and changes to the line itself? Guess that should all be free?

4. Changes to the design of the car. There are also changes to the physical design/look of the car. There are upgraded body panels, new/larger wheels and tires, spoiler and various other things. I guess this should all be free as well?

5. Increase in warranty claims. A high performance vehicle is going to require more trips to the shop. The cars are being pushed to the limit and are no doubt going to break or have parts fail. It's just a simple fact. So they have to also realize there is going to be an rise in repair and that drives up cost that they have to pay back to the dealership for the parts cost and man hours for the service techs.

We could go on and on, but any intelligent person realizes there is a cost associated with higher performance vehicles. We all know the cost isn't as much as they are spending to develop and build these cars, but then again, there is a market. If it was easy, you'd get off your fat lazy ass and do it yourself instead of bitching on an internet forum acting like you can do it for cheaper. By all means, go buy all those parts and upgrade your car. Oh you can't because your not mechanically inclined to do so? Guess you'll have to pay someone. If you don't like it, don't buy it. They wouldn't be able to charge that much if people didn't want to spend that much.

It's the same with computer parts. When you start OC'ing something, you are OC other parts and the higher you go, the more potential for instability comes up. It takes time to test and tinker with a chip to get it to the highest part. You are adding time and that in turn adds cost because you are paying people to build these. Then you get into the problem with components failing down the road due to being pushed to the limit all the time. Or you can add better cooling options, but again, you start to move into increased cost and R&D. It's not all just "lets throw something in there and it works!".

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
I see...so maybe Ill have to start my own businees and take away all the sales of those other machines! *evil grin* BWAHAHA!

You confessed earlier that "Ive never succesfully OC'd" but now you think you can start a business selling overclocked machines?

 

[Raduque]

Heh. I never had any problems OCing. From Celeron 333s (@ 550) to Duron 600 (@1ghz) to my current E6300 (@2.8). The E6300 was the easiest - I dropped the chip in, booted it up once at stock to get into the BIOS, set the FSB to 800 and away I went, 1GHz overclock, just as easy as you please.

Oh, and OP, you fail at lapping. You're supposed to use varying grits of sandpaper (I use from 320 grit to 1200 grit) with a piece of glass as the sanding surface (I use double-sided tape to secure the sandpaper to the glass). I then finish with a polishing compound such as brasso to take out microscratches left by the 1200 grit and then cleaning with 90% isopropyl alcohol.

Of course, I didn't do any of that to my E6300 and temps are barely in the 40s.

 

[ShockwaveVT]

//Troll thread

 

[Fox5]

You don't need to overclock to play ANY games. Only if you buy the cheapest processors would you need to, but any processor over $100 should easily play just about any game out there.
Any Phenom II, Core 2, or i7 quad core should play any game out there.

As far as overclocking, I've overclocked a lot of systems and never had a problem in it, and I don't even go excessive with my overclocking. Usually it takes nothing more than raising the FSB to a level to make the cpu clock speed at or near the top speed in that cpu line. Sometimes I have to raise voltage. I rarely try to go over the top processor in a lineup and rarely go over stock voltage. Oh, motherboard/chipset makes a huge difference with overclocking success though.

I've had a 1.8Ghz mobile barton overclocked to 2.4Ghz. (athlon XP)
1.8Ghz Athlon 64 overclocked to 2.4Ghz.
1.8Ghz core 2 duo overclocked to 2.6Ghz.
2Ghz Core 2 duo overclocked to 2.8Ghz.
2 Athlon X2s overclocked to ~3Ghz from 2.4Ghz.
1.8Ghz Athlon X2 overclocked to 2.6Ghz.
2.1Ghz Phenom X3 overclocked to 2.6Ghz.
2.5Ghz Pentium Dual Core overclocked to 3.33Ghz.
2.8Ghz Phenom II X4 overclocked to 3.6Ghz.

And most of these are at stock voltage, and nowhere near what a lot of people get on these. And they were still rather time consuming (taking at least the better part of a day) for rather conservative overclocks.

 

[EliteRetard]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
OH BURN! I got OWn3zD!

Why is there such a massive ungodly markup on "performance cars?" Where are the brand new $15,000 cars that can do 0-60MPH in 5 seconds? Why do all the car manufacturers have such ridiculous markups? I mean really, a Subaru WRX STI for $35,000 when really it is the same car as the base $15,000 Subaru Impreza, just overclocked a little bit with a turbo. C'mon! Sheesh! I'm still waiting!

Exactly! Why does a turbo cost 20,000$?!

Since when was the only difference between a WRX STI and an Impreza a turbo charger? You're an IDIOT and that's why you deserve the name you have.

1. It's not the only part they just throw on as the upgrade. There are other parts that are upgraded as far as the suspension, transmission and other engine components that cost money.

2. They have to spend R&D time to try different parts, design new parts, work with vendors to get said parts, then do testing to make sure these new parts work with the engine and don't fail. They also do tuning. Do you own a dyno to tune all of these parts and try and find the best ones that work together to give the most power? Guess that should all be free?

3. The assembly line also has to be updated because they adding/changing parts that are being installed. It now takes longer to build the engines because they are including a Turbo charger. So what about the labor, planning of changes to the line and changes to the line itself? Guess that should all be free?

4. Changes to the design of the car. There are also changes to the physical design/look of the car. There are upgraded body panels, new/larger wheels and tires, spoiler and various other things. I guess this should all be free as well?

5. Increase in warranty claims. A high performance vehicle is going to require more trips to the shop. The cars are being pushed to the limit and are no doubt going to break or have parts fail. It's just a simple fact. So they have to also realize there is going to be an rise in repair and that drives up cost that they have to pay back to the dealership for the parts cost and man hours for the service techs.

We could go on and on, but any intelligent person realizes there is a cost associated with higher performance vehicles. We all know the cost isn't as much as they are spending to develop and build these cars, but then again, there is a market. If it was easy, you'd get off your fat lazy ass and do it yourself instead of bitching on an internet forum acting like you can do it for cheaper. By all means, go buy all those parts and upgrade your car. Oh you can't because your not mechanically inclined to do so? Guess you'll have to pay someone. If you don't like it, don't buy it. They wouldn't be able to charge that much if people didn't want to spend that much.

It's the same with computer parts. When you start OC'ing something, you are OC other parts and the higher you go, the more potential for instability comes up. It takes time to test and tinker with a chip to get it to the highest part. You are adding time and that in turn adds cost because you are paying people to build these. Then you get into the problem with components failing down the road due to being pushed to the limit all the time. Or you can add better cooling options, but again, you start to move into increased cost and R&D. It's not all just "lets throw something in there and it works!".

...gonna have to talk to Zap about this one, it was his example. I dont know anything about cars. From what I have seen of other cars though you can get a nice turbo installed for under 10K...like on a scion or focus. Me I want bit arse blower sticking outa my hood...RAWR!

 

[EliteRetard]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: EliteRetard
I see...so maybe Ill have to start my own businees and take away all the sales of those other machines! *evil grin* BWAHAHA!

You confessed earlier that "Ive never succesfully OC'd" but now you think you can start a business selling overclocked machines?

Oh, my bad! I must have forgot the [sarcasm mode][/s]
I also spelled business wrong.
...and didn't use an apostrophe in I'll.

 

[EliteRetard]

Originally posted by: Raduque
Heh. I never had any problems OCing. From Celeron 333s (@ 550) to Duron 600 (@1ghz) to my current E6300 (@2.8). The E6300 was the easiest - I dropped the chip in, booted it up once at stock to get into the BIOS, set the FSB to 800 and away I went, 1GHz overclock, just as easy as you please.

Oh, and OP, you fail at lapping. You're supposed to use varying grits of sandpaper (I use from 320 grit to 1200 grit) with a piece of glass as the sanding surface (I use double-sided tape to secure the sandpaper to the glass). I then finish with a polishing compound such as brasso to take out microscratches left by the 1200 grit and then cleaning with 90% isopropyl alcohol.

Of course, I didn't do any of that to my E6300 and temps are barely in the 40s.

AR! good infRo on teh lapping...I did use varying grits of wet/dry automotive sandpaper, but I couldnt think of anything flat to use. Where might I find a small flat square of glass?