So will the democrats finally win one?

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Insomniator
I think racism is still a big issue in this country and could cost Obama the election.

It would also be the only time I'll ever be happy about racism existing..

This is why it is a lock for McCain

Obama has to win North Carolina and it ain't going to happen.

Marked to Own on later date

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ok I am gonna come out and say it, Obama is gonna win and he is gonna win because of race. Have you guys been tuning in on the African American centered radio stations lately? There is a huge go and and vote push in the black community right now, and we all know who the black community is going to vote for. Together with the fact that the last 8 years is a total failure, and any democrats would have a great chance against republican in this election, the African American community with their big go out and vote push and their overwhelming support of Obama will put him over the top.

This is true. In 2004 25% of the black vote turned out in GA. Early voting indicates 40%+ voting turnout. This is a huge vote boost for Obama.

yup, but blacks aren't racist right? heh

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: quest55720

Pelosi/Reid will send the bills to Obama to sign. Obama does not have the guts to stand up to his party. He won't veto any bill they send no matter how bad. Pelosi/Reid will have free reign of this country if the democrats get 60 seats. Obama will rubber stamp what ever they send. We will get a repeat of the first 6 years of bush and it will be the same disaster.

The thing is that I know you aren't joking, because you keep writing this. The first 6 years of Bush came about due to a party with a high degree of ideological discipline controlling all 3 branches of government. In this case, as has been the case for nearly the entirety of American history, but far more so now, it was the executive that dominated the legislature, not the other way around. This is due to institutional factors that have arisen over the last 230-odd years.

Your idea that somehow the Congress will dominate the presidency is absolutely absurd. As I said before, all it shows is that you don't know very much about how our government functions.

All 3? Really? That's why we got to keep our guns by 1 VOTE? Thank gawd that case came before one of the 5 retired and Obama appointed a lefty. That is an EXTREMELY close case for being such an ingrained right.

That swing vote goes the other way on alot of issues.

Wait, so your example is one the right wing won on? The Supreme Court is heavily conservative. If you want to see a liberal supreme court, go look at the Warren court. Look at their ideology and now look at the ideology of any of the justices today with the possible exception of Stevens (possible) and you will see that even the 'liberals' on the court are pretty damn conservative.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Vic

Are you stupid or something? No one's gun rights were in danger from DC vs. Heller. You did not just get to keep your guns by one vote. Had the decision gone the other way, our gun rights would have been completely unchanged. At no point was the 2nd amendment in jeopardy. Our rights were not "reaffirmed," they were reinterpreted. Jeez...
And BTW, I'm a gun rights fanatic, and I personally believe that Heller weakened our gun rights by removing the collective (states) right while Scalia's poorly written decision extended his new interpretation of the individual right ONLY to the citizens of DC. So IOW, the states got the shaft and the rest of us got nothing. While talk radio idiots cheered.
But then again, you've obviously never read the decision or have any understanding of actual legal case, you're just repeating what someone told you to say. That's very clear from your rhetoric and your ignorance.

*Yawn* At the attack post. You are so short sighted its laughable. If you cant see how that case put to rest handgun ownership rights for the very near future, then I doubt your claims of being a "gun rights fanatic."

I would look up "legal precedent", and what would have happened in states like here in Commiefornia if DC was allowed to ban handguns. What is wrong with you? It reaffirmed our rights to individually posses firearms for defense in our homes. That isnt a reinterpretation like your 8th grade level post says, that is keeping the status quo.

If you think the majority opinion was poorly written, that is a commonly held belief. But to say that it wasnt a big victory or it wouldnt have changed anything had it gone the other way, makes you look foolish. Or trollish. I havent decided which one. Hopefully its late and you are just tired.

That is flatly false. The status quo, the prevailing jurisprudence from the USSC on the subject was US v. Miller. That ruling specifically stated that the right to bear arms was a collective one, not an individual one. THAT was the status quo. That is what I assume Vic is referring to when he says you are ignorant of the law.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The Supreme Court is heavily conservative. If you want to see a liberal supreme court, go look at the Warren court. Look at their ideology and now look at the ideology of any of the justices today with the possible exception of Stevens (possible) and you will see that even the 'liberals' on the court are pretty damn conservative.

Then expain the New London decision.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ok I am gonna come out and say it, Obama is gonna win and he is gonna win because of race. Have you guys been tuning in on the African American centered radio stations lately? There is a huge go and and vote push in the black community right now, and we all know who the black community is going to vote for. Together with the fact that the last 8 years is a total failure, and any democrats would have a great chance against republican in this election, the African American community with their big go out and vote push and their overwhelming support of Obama will put him over the top.

This is true. In 2004 25% of the black vote turned out in GA. Early voting indicates 40%+ voting turnout. This is a huge vote boost for Obama.

yup, but blacks aren't racist right? heh

This is a vapid post at best, and racist at worst. You're assuming that black people support Obama only because he's black (a perspective which I wouldn't personally regard as racist anyway), as opposed to because they feel he better understands their perspective and concerns, and because they believe his policies are likelier to preserve their interests.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Mursilis


Then expain the New London decision.

The holding in Kelo was just a natural extension of existing Supreme Court precedent on the issue of eminent domain. When you read the opinion it's clear that ruling any other way would have led to significant disruption of existing law. Moreover, this was far from the first instance in which land was taken by the government for a private purpose, based on the notion that it served the public interest (by way of illustration, Best Buy worked with City of Richfield here in MN to condemn a large parcel of land for their corporate headquarters campus).

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: GTKeeper

Originally posted by: rchiu
Ok I am gonna come out and say it, Obama is gonna win and he is gonna win because of race. Have you guys been tuning in on the African American centered radio stations lately? There is a huge go and and vote push in the black community right now, and we all know who the black community is going to vote for. Together with the fact that the last 8 years is a total failure, and any democrats would have a great chance against republican in this election, the African American community with their big go out and vote push and their overwhelming support of Obama will put him over the top.

This is true. In 2004 25% of the black vote turned out in GA. Early voting indicates 40%+ voting turnout. This is a huge vote boost for Obama.

yup, but blacks aren't racist right? heh

This is a vapid post at best, and racist at worst. You're assuming that black people support Obama only because he's black (a perspective which I wouldn't personally regard as racist anyway), as opposed to because they feel he better understands their perspective and concerns, and because they believe his policies are likelier to preserve their interests.

then why is there anticipated to be double the turnout among blacks? There have already been reports in my area of some being bussed in for voter registration chanting "black power".

Don't tell me I'm the racist one.

EDIT: Imagine if the roles were reversed and a bunch of white people all came to the voting booth chanting "white power".

 

[OCGuy]

I dont reallly care for Obama, but I dont get the whole black/white issue anyway. Its not like hes going to get in to office and start speaking ebonics. He is as far removed from a poor Georgian (US) and the hood as any other president ever was.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The Supreme Court is heavily conservative. If you want to see a liberal supreme court, go look at the Warren court. Look at their ideology and now look at the ideology of any of the justices today with the possible exception of Stevens (possible) and you will see that even the 'liberals' on the court are pretty damn conservative.

Then expain the New London decision.

Well DVC covered it better than I would, but even if Kelo was a 'liberal' decision, by and large the court has sided on the 'conservative' side of most issues.

 

[Moonbeam]

Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[frostedflakes]

I just can't believe things had to get this bad for people to wake up.

Still too early to say for sure, but it looks like it's going to be a slam dunk for the Dems.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Farang
2000 was pretty shady election. 2004 even moreso. So if you're asking if Democrats have a large enough margin this time around to overcome massive voter fraud, then I sure hope so.

ZOMG BUSH BROUGHT DOWN TEH TOWERZ11!!!oneone

I know those left-wing conspiracy theories play well with the fringe, but most sensible people dont think elections are rigged.

If you think voter fraud is nonexistent in this country then you're fooling yourself. The only question is whether or not it affects the outcome of the race.

I agree it only plays well with the fringe, and that is unfortunate when there are legitimate questions that need answering and the mainstream media doesn't bother to look into them for fear of looking like they're on the fringe.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

yup, but blacks aren't racist right? heh

This is a vapid post at best, and racist at worst. You're assuming that black people support Obama only because he's black (a perspective which I wouldn't personally regard as racist anyway), as opposed to because they feel he better understands their perspective and concerns, and because they believe his policies are likelier to preserve their interests.

then why is there anticipated to be double the turnout among blacks? There have already been reports in my area of some being bussed in for voter registration chanting "black power".

Don't tell me I'm the racist one.

EDIT: Imagine if the roles were reversed and a bunch of white people all came to the voting booth chanting "white power".

I'll do you one better - in addition to your other issues, you lack reading comprehension. You either never read my post or you have no compelling response, so there's no point in further argument.

To flesh out a point I made in my earlier post, I don't personally see it as racist for black people to vote for the first major-party black presidential candidate in history at least in part because of his race. I don't think there's any question that EVERY black person in this country shares a common experience, in the sense that racism remains widespread and so they have all suffered a certain amount of marginalization as a result of their race.

It's funny - the Republicans see nothing wrong with courting the vote of women solely because Sarah Palin is a woman - this is certainly just as "sexist" as black people voting for Obama is "racist." The difference (or at least one of the differences) is that Obama was nominated by his party based on his merits, not chosen by his running mate based on his gender.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

yup, but blacks aren't racist right? heh

This is a vapid post at best, and racist at worst. You're assuming that black people support Obama only because he's black (a perspective which I wouldn't personally regard as racist anyway), as opposed to because they feel he better understands their perspective and concerns, and because they believe his policies are likelier to preserve their interests.

then why is there anticipated to be double the turnout among blacks? There have already been reports in my area of some being bussed in for voter registration chanting "black power".

Don't tell me I'm the racist one.

EDIT: Imagine if the roles were reversed and a bunch of white people all came to the voting booth chanting "white power".

I'll do you one better - in addition to your other issues, you lack reading comprehension. You either never read my post or you have no compelling response, so there's no point in further argument.

To flesh out a point I made in my earlier post, I don't personally see it as racist for black people to vote for the first major-party black presidential candidate in history at least in part because of his race. I don't think there's any question that EVERY black person in this country shares a common experience, in the sense that racism remains widespread and so they have all suffered a certain amount of marginalization as a result of their race.

It's funny - the Republicans see nothing wrong with courting the vote of women solely because Sarah Palin is a woman - this is certainly just as "sexist" as black people voting for Obama is "racist." The difference (or at least one of the differences) is that Obama was nominated by his party based on his merits, not chosen by his running mate based on his gender.

I don't see much wrong with it because they wouldn't be voting for McCain anyway. The thing with women supporting Palin is for half of them it doesn't make any sense because she is on the opposite end of the ideological spectrum, but if 2004 is any indication the Democrats have 88% black support so why not turn out in greater numbers for this guy and elect the first black President?

Interesting article on Politico about this subject and how Obama "quietly" targets blacks. It is going to give him a tremendous advantage this year.