So why should I go AM2?

[Ichigo]

The two are releasing very close to each other and Conroe seems to have the performance advantage as well as running cooler. Am I missing on some advantage that goes to AMD?

 

[Artanis]

I think Core 2 Duo is the obvious choice...

 

[Lonyo]

Am I missing the published final release benchmarks and price list?

 

[Duvie]

No advantage for AMD...

If you are coming from an existing AMD system.....You will need NEW ram, NEW mobo, and possibly NEW vid card if you haven't made the switch from AGP to PCI-express (most Intel chipsets have been that for awhile)....I see absolutely nothing...

NO Price advantage
No performance per price advantage
NO ocing advantage
NO upgradeability advantage
NO performance clock for clock advantage....

This is a runaway for the short-term....

 

[Henny]

Now it'll be AMD's turn to play catch up just like it was Intel's turn for the last couple years.

Going with Conroe is a no brainer relative to AM2.

 

[robertk2012]

I think AMD has built up enough of a brand name that they wont be hurt with lower performing processor. I mean AM2 that just sounds so much faster than 939 and it uses ddr2 too!!!! Im kind of surprised they are leaving their numbering the same with a 3800 AM2= a 3800 939 thats the dead giveaway that there is no performance increase.

 

[EffeX]

Hmm cheap 939 gear sounds nice.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Some of the new low-voltage X2s might be interesting for overclocking, though I still see no advantage here over Conroe.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: robertk2012
I think AMD has built up enough of a brand name that they wont be hurt with lower performing processor. I mean AM2 that just sounds so much faster than 939 and it uses ddr2 too!!!! Im kind of surprised they are leaving their numbering the same with a 3800 AM2= a 3800 939 thats the dead giveaway that there is no performance increase.

Would we be that much happier if AMD was more liberal with their performance ratings?

 

[F1shF4t]

Yea there is no advanteg going AM2, just as for me there is no advantage going with conroe, cause it looks like only the top conroe chip will be able to beat my athlon singnificantly, without counting overclocking the conroe.

I think i will be skiping conroe and AM2 for quite a while, i'm quite satisfied with the speed of my X2 and i'm not even using that to its full potential.

But for people doing significant upgrades going to conroe seem like the winning option.

 

[Viditor]

Frankly, there's no advantage in going ANYTHING until the products are actually released and we have some good independant reviews...
If you're shopping for a system to keep for the next year or so, I'd wait until the July launch of Conroe and see exactly what we have first.

BTW, the biggest advantage I can think of for AM2 is compatability with K8L...but then you're just stuck with the same "wait and see" thing again. Bottom line is you get a computer when you need one...

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Viditor
Frankly, there's no advantage in going ANYTHING until the products are actually released and we have some good independant reviews...
If you're shopping for a system to keep for the next year or so, I'd wait until the July launch of Conroe and see exactly what we have first.

BTW, the biggest advantage I can think of for AM2 is compatability with K8L...but then you're just stuck with the same "wait and see" thing again. Bottom line is you get a computer when you need one...

Amen. And also to touch on the fact that AMD has worked with the platforms that are released, Intel changes to a new chipset every 3-4 months. But all this Conroe stuff to me is complete joke. Not one independent test of production silicon, no official announcement of availabilty, no clue as to how much of the product will be available, all we have is some tests run with Intel supplied systems, conducted under Intel supervision, and god awful amount of speculation. All we have in reality from Intel is a name.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: classy
Amen. And also to touch on the fact that AMD has worked with the platforms that are released, Intel changes to a new chipset every 3-4 months. But all this Conroe stuff to me is complete joke. Not one independent test of production silicon, no official announcement of availabilty, no clue as to how much of the product will be available, all we have is some tests run with Intel supplied systems, conducted under Intel supervision, and god awful amount of speculation. All we have in reality from Intel is a name.

You obviously have been paying no attention, because the people over at XS have been running merom/conroe tests for the past couple months outside of "intel supervision". That and the fact that anand's original benches from IDF were conservative against conroe to begin with, hahaha.

Then there's the crazy statement about the chipsets, 3-4 months wtf? The release dates have been announced for weeks. And it's not like AMD supplies the public with their inventory details, so why'd you expect intel to do the same regarding supply volume of future products. LOL.

 

[n19htmare]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: classy
Amen. And also to touch on the fact that AMD has worked with the platforms that are released, Intel changes to a new chipset every 3-4 months. But all this Conroe stuff to me is complete joke. Not one independent test of production silicon, no official announcement of availabilty, no clue as to how much of the product will be available, all we have is some tests run with Intel supplied systems, conducted under Intel supervision, and god awful amount of speculation. All we have in reality from Intel is a name.

You obviously have been paying no attention, because the people over at XS have been running merom/conroe tests for the past couple months outside of "intel supervision". That and the fact that anand's original benches from IDF were conservative against conroe to begin with, hahaha.

Then there's the crazy statement about the chipsets, 3-4 months wtf? The release dates have been announced for weeks. And it's not like AMD supplies the public with their inventory details, so why'd you expect intel to do the same regarding supply volume of future products. LOL.

Exactly. Look at AM2 for example. How much info has AMD provided on the AM2 socket and chips? DIDLY SQUAT... and they will be available on Tuesday.

What makes people think that Intel will give you any info on the Conroe 2-4 months in advance?

 

[Bateluer]

I'll be going with AM2 fairly soon after its launch, provided its available. Conroe won't be available until Sept, most likely, and my machine needs an upgrade now. If Conroe actually does turn out to be worthwhile, then I'll be able to reuse the DDR2 and PCIe video card from my AM2 upgrade. Actually, upgrade is the wrong term. Overhaul would be better, since I'm getting a new case, PSU, mobo, CPU, RAM, vidcard, etc. Almost totally new system.

 

[Ranulf]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: classy
Amen. And also to touch on the fact that AMD has worked with the platforms that are released, Intel changes to a new chipset every 3-4 months. But all this Conroe stuff to me is complete joke. Not one independent test of production silicon, no official announcement of availabilty, no clue as to how much of the product will be available, all we have is some tests run with Intel supplied systems, conducted under Intel supervision, and god awful amount of speculation. All we have in reality from Intel is a name.

Then there's the crazy statement about the chipsets, 3-4 months wtf?

I believe he's referring to Intel's past history with the pentium 4, aka the 423, 478, 775.... etc. etc.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: classy
Amen. And also to touch on the fact that AMD has worked with the platforms that are released, Intel changes to a new chipset every 3-4 months. But all this Conroe stuff to me is complete joke. Not one independent test of production silicon, no official announcement of availabilty, no clue as to how much of the product will be available, all we have is some tests run with Intel supplied systems, conducted under Intel supervision, and god awful amount of speculation. All we have in reality from Intel is a name.

You obviously have been paying no attention, because the people over at XS have been running merom/conroe tests for the past couple months outside of "intel supervision". That and the fact that anand's original benches from IDF were conservative against conroe to begin with, hahaha.

Then there's the crazy statement about the chipsets, 3-4 months wtf? The release dates have been announced for weeks. And it's not like AMD supplies the public with their inventory details, so why'd you expect intel to do the same regarding supply volume of future products. LOL.

I wonder if that dude can ever end a sentence without "hahaha" or "LOL" or "ROFL". How old are you again?

 

[gorka]

I think the better question is why would people still buy AM2? and the logical answer is...because they have a choice, and they can.

The same reason people were still buying P4 even with the noted performance gains X2 had over it. No one releases a product and gets 100% share...despite of its superiority to product B.

...or your X2 could burst into flames on May 24 and you JUST can't be without a PC for 3 months.

 

[A554SS1N]

Do the single core Athlon 64 AM2's have the copper heatpipe cooler of the X2 processors?

 

[russki]

i would not be so quick to judge... after all both platforms are still unreleased and there is no reliable benchmark data to really compare them.

 

[evenmore1]

Originally posted by: EffeX
Hmm cheap 939 gear sounds nice.

Ah yes...buying behind the tech curve

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

people bought Pentium D over X2 even though Pentium D was slower because there were cheap pentium D chips such as the 805 so there is some logical reasoning in their decision. According to price lists so far, the cheapest AM2 Dual core (3800+ 1.8ghz) at around 300 bux is a lot more expensive than the E6300 which is rated at a similar speed (1.86ghz) and only costs 209. Clock for clock performance and pricing leans heavily in favor of Conroe, so there is no logical reasoning why anyone would want to buy an AM2 as opposed to the Pentium D vs x2 case where there was some logical reasoning involved in Pentium D purchase over X2.

 

[eastvillager]

I don't see much point in either of them, since I'm sitting on 939 with a fx-55. Think I'll skip a generation or two in the cpu/mobo wars. Gives me more money to dump into insanely expensive flagship video cards.

 

[AMD K5]

I am going with AM2 because my sempron 64-2800 was such a good chip and the AMD platform its self is Extremely Stable. I don?t care about 20% performance difference I care about stability and features? plus the AMD platform has the better virtualization tech. and the option to upgrade to K8L which will most likely outperform Conroe...

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

Originally posted by: AMD K5
I am going with AM2 because my sempron 64-2800 was such a good chip and the AMD platform its self is Extremely Stable. I don?t care about 20% performance difference I care about stability and features? plus the AMD platform has the better virtualization tech. and the option to upgrade to K8L which will most likely outperform Conroe...

What features does an AMD system have over Intel, any hard evidence about better virtualization between the new Conroe chips and AM2 and option to upgrade to K8L? Option to upgrade to k8L is only a rumor last I read.