So why is gravity an one way phenomenon?

[Braznor]

I always wondered why gravity is one way and why its apparent counterfoprce has to be so difficult and contrived to discover. Now I know gravity is different than normal EM forces in the sense, it affects space time itself, But then why doesn't it have some kind of apparent counterforce making spacetime distort outward i.e curvatures leading outside the gravity well?

Would it be the Einstein's cosmological constant which I think is hotly contested anyway?

 

[RESmonkey]

Maybe there is one that we just can't detect it in our space-time? Maybe it's discretely hidden in a "counter" world?

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Fuck.

 

[WHAMPOM]

The unknown force that is accelerating the expansion of the universe? Check in the highly tech. forum.

 

[Rufus12]

Hate to be a grammar nazi, but the "an" in the title should be an "a".

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Braznor
I always wondered why gravity is one way and why its apparent counterfoprce has to be so difficult and contrived to discover. Now I know gravity is different than normal EM forces in the sense, it affects space time itself, But then why doesn't it have some kind of apparent counterforce making spacetime distort outward i.e curvatures leading outside the gravity well?

Would it be the Einstein's cosmological constant which I think is hotly contested anyway?

I think the cosmological constant has to be one of the things that opposes gravity. It alone basically sums up why we are expanding, because without it, the universe should be contracting insanely fast.

My thought is the cosmological constant is merely the unused energy left over from the big bang. There was so much release of all that matter, that it somehow has an effect on time as well.
What I mean, is that the cosmological constant may just be the remaining energy from the big bang, and is why we are still expanding. Kind of like a shockwave. But this shockwave got pushed into time, and is behaving much more slowly than it should be. That's about my only guess, as I don't understand the Cosmological Constant.

Dark Energy may be the answer too, but then again, i think dark energy qualifies as the cosmological constant. Because both we truly have no clue what they are, and we basically only have an idea that dark energy might exist. Now that I think of it, I think I remember dark energy just being the name for the energy representing the 'Constant.

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[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Braznor
I always wondered why gravity is one way and why its apparent counterfoprce has to be so difficult and contrived to discover.

It doesn't have a true counterforce because gravity itself is not a force. You have to look at the cause and effect of gravity:

- Matter causes a weak "pull"
- As matter is pulled together, the sum of matter is the sum of pull
- Where does this pull come from? Can be answered by, what is matter?
- Matter is a knot in space.
- Space is elastic. Consider the quantification of space is finite. For the knot to exist, its surroundings must be stretched. This creates "tension".
- The "tension" in space is exerted by matter, attracting matter to itself.
- Therefore, the "counterforce" is not energy derived, but matter derived. The opposite of a knot is a stretch... a "pocket".
- Energy is a traveling excitation of space (much like transmitting data over a radio wave frequency).
- Light bounces off matter because of the "knot".
- Light bends toward matter, large enough masses prevent their escape (black holes).
- Light would travel through "pockets" (therefore no reflection), large enough masses completely bend light around them.
- Therefore, we now have "dark matter" (the pockets).

My guess is that dark matter won't clump on its own. It probably finds itself rather repulsive, but will clump when surrounded by normal matter. So it pushes itself apart while pushing the rest of the universe apart. Its also conceivable that dark matter came first, and when enough of it collided the compression formed knots in space, i.e. normal matter.

 

[Kadarin]

Isn't gravity really curvature of space/time, and not a "force"?

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Braznor
counterfoprce

What is this couterforpce you speak of?

I would have to answer, from the Navy's educational system in the NPP, that you are overlooking the nuclear bond, which is quite (amazingly) strong. The normal forces we feel are quite weak, but there is one force that is quite strong, and BTW, thank Newton not Eimstein for this one...

 

[Foxery]

What makes you think gravity "needs" to have a counterpart? There's no reason it has to have an opposite.

I'm fuzzy on the nuclear strong and nuclear weak forces, but AFAIK, none of the forces have opposites. Magnetism only has the ability to repulse objects because of its own polar nature.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Braznor
I always wondered why gravity is one way and why its apparent counterfoprce has to be so difficult and contrived to discover.

It doesn't have a true counterforce because gravity itself is not a force. You have to look at the cause and effect of gravity:

- Matter causes a weak "pull"
- As matter is pulled together, the sum of matter is the sum of pull
- Where does this pull come from? Can be answered by, what is matter?
- Matter is a knot in space.
- Space is elastic. Consider the quantification of space is finite. For the knot to exist, its surroundings must be stretched. This creates "tension".
- The "tension" in space is exerted by matter, attracting matter to itself.
- Therefore, the "counterforce" is not energy derived, but matter derived. The opposite of a knot is a stretch... a "pocket".
- Energy is a traveling excitation of space (much like transmitting data over a radio wave frequency).
- Light bounces off matter because of the "knot".
- Light bends toward matter, large enough masses prevent their escape (black holes).
- Light would travel through "pockets" (therefore no reflection), large enough masses completely bend light around them.
- Therefore, we now have "dark matter" (the pockets).

My guess is that dark matter won't clump on its own. It probably finds itself rather repulsive, but will clump when surrounded by normal matter. So it pushes itself apart while pushing the rest of the universe apart. Its also conceivable that dark matter came first, and when enough of it collided the compression formed knots in space, i.e. normal matter.

Interesting... involved in physics much?

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Braznor
I always wondered why gravity is one way and why its apparent counterfoprce has to be so difficult and contrived to discover.

It doesn't have a true counterforce because gravity itself is not a force. You have to look at the cause and effect of gravity:

- Matter causes a weak "pull"
- As matter is pulled together, the sum of matter is the sum of pull
- Where does this pull come from? Can be answered by, what is matter?
- Matter is a knot in space.
- Space is elastic. Consider the quantification of space is finite. For the knot to exist, its surroundings must be stretched. This creates "tension".
- The "tension" in space is exerted by matter, attracting matter to itself.
- Therefore, the "counterforce" is not energy derived, but matter derived. The opposite of a knot is a stretch... a "pocket".
- Energy is a traveling excitation of space (much like transmitting data over a radio wave frequency).
- Light bounces off matter because of the "knot".
- Light bends toward matter, large enough masses prevent their escape (black holes).
- Light would travel through "pockets" (therefore no reflection), large enough masses completely bend light around them.
- Therefore, we now have "dark matter" (the pockets).

My guess is that dark matter won't clump on its own. It probably finds itself rather repulsive, but will clump when surrounded by normal matter. So it pushes itself apart while pushing the rest of the universe apart. Its also conceivable that dark matter came first, and when enough of it collided the compression formed knots in space, i.e. normal matter.

Interesting... involved in physics much?

Nope. Just something I'm interested in.

 

[arkcom]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Braznor
counterfoprce

What is this couterforpce you speak of?

Eimstein

Who is this Eimstein you speak of?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Braznor
I always wondered why gravity is one way and why its apparent counterfoprce has to be so difficult and contrived to discover.

It doesn't have a true counterforce because gravity itself is not a force. You have to look at the cause and effect of gravity:

- Matter causes a weak "pull"
- As matter is pulled together, the sum of matter is the sum of pull
- Where does this pull come from? Can be answered by, what is matter?
- Matter is a knot in space.
- Space is elastic. Consider the quantification of space is finite. For the knot to exist, its surroundings must be stretched. This creates "tension".
- The "tension" in space is exerted by matter, attracting matter to itself.
- Therefore, the "counterforce" is not energy derived, but matter derived. The opposite of a knot is a stretch... a "pocket".
- Energy is a traveling excitation of space (much like transmitting data over a radio wave frequency).
- Light bounces off matter because of the "knot".
- Light bends toward matter, large enough masses prevent their escape (black holes).
- Light would travel through "pockets" (therefore no reflection), large enough masses completely bend light around them.
- Therefore, we now have "dark matter" (the pockets).

My guess is that dark matter won't clump on its own. It probably finds itself rather repulsive, but will clump when surrounded by normal matter. So it pushes itself apart while pushing the rest of the universe apart. Its also conceivable that dark matter came first, and when enough of it collided the compression formed knots in space, i.e. normal matter.

Well its suggested that dark matter is responsible for the creation of galaxies. It's the filamentary theory, iirc. The theory states that dark matter collected in clouds throughout space, and after the big bang, space expanded. But space expanded, not the clouds. These clouds merely grew more distant from each other, and all the matter that came into the same region began to be pulled into the centers of these dark matter clouds. So as space expanded, an overhead view would look like filamentary strings as time passed on and matter collected more and more into groups, away from the clouds of matter that resulted from the big bang. So in effect, you would have seen 'strings' of matter being pulled away from the clouds of matter into what would be the center of dark matter clouds, but you can't see those. Eventually, matter collected enough to start the formation of stars, and gas clouds formed and planetary bodies would begin to form after time, following the destruction of the largest stars in which heavy elements were produced.

It's one of my favorite theories about the beginning of the organization of space, because it makes a lot of sense in my mind. And the evidence for dark matter is pretty astounding, because without dark matter, there really isn't enough gravity produced for everything to look the way it does in galaxies now, nor would distant light behave the way it does in some instances.
Now we just need to actually find physical evidence of its existence, and not just observational evidence.

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[XZeroII]

It's called Anti-Gravity. The formula is (5hl/3m)/(2a + 3). Now all we need to do is figure out what all those letters stand for.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: arkcom

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Braznor
counterfoprce

What is this couterforpce you speak of?

Eimstein

Who is this Eimstein you speak of?

lol burn

 

[Schfifty Five]

I stopped reading after I saw the "an" instead of "a" in the title.

 

[meltdown75]

"an one"

uber fail

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
"an one"

uber fail

ouch!

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Isn't gravity really curvature of space/time, and not a "force"?

Aren't we trying to get away from that model? Forces in the Standard Model have messenger particles, and it would be great for gravity to fit that. Scientists just haven't proven that to be true yet.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Isn't gravity really curvature of space/time, and not a "force"?

Aren't we trying to get away from that model? Forces in the Standard Model have messenger particles, and it would be great for gravity to fit that. Scientists just haven't proven that to be true yet.

For obvious reasons. For one, how the hell would a graviton be emitted? Does something decay? Or, does it just get created out of thin air.

I personally believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster just holds everything down for us. All hail his noodly appendage.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: Rufus12
Hate to be a grammar nazi, but the "an" in the title should be an "a".

That's not all them is! Someone asking a question like this not knowing speeling and grmmur.

I'm loosing my MIND!

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
how the hell would a graviton be emitted? Does something decay? Or, does it just get created out of thin air.

The same way a gluon is emitted?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
how the hell would a graviton be emitted? Does something decay? Or, does it just get created out of thin air.

The same way a gluon is emitted?

Its been a while since I read my Quantum Mechanics books, and so I'm rusty on stuff. How IS a gluon emitted again?

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
how the hell would a graviton be emitted? Does something decay? Or, does it just get created out of thin air.

The same way a gluon is emitted?

Its been a while since I read my Quantum Mechanics books, and so I'm rusty on stuff. How IS a gluon emitted again?

If Steel and Super Glue aren't involved with removing something, you've lost me