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Genx87

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Originally posted by: Condor
I think the Muslims are doing fine in bashing them:

"Either Islam gets Europeanized or Europe gets Islamized."
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Earlier this week NPR's "All Things Considered" reported on the findings of German television's ZDF-TV after they had secretly placed a camera inside a German Islamic Mosque. The Imam is heard saying (in translation): "Those Germans, those atheists, they don't shave their armpits. Their sweat spreads evil smells. They stink. They are atheists. What good do they do to us? And since they are unbelievers, in the afterlife, they can only burn in hell." Obviously, this did not go down well when the German public saw and heard such things.
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"Germany is an Islamic country. Islam is in the home, in schools. Germans will be outnumbered. We [Muslims] will say what we want. We'll live how we want. It's outrageous that Germans demand we speak their language. Our children will have our language, our laws, our culture."
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www.washingtontimes.com

Europe to the barricades

By Tony Blankley
Published November 24, 2004

This Christmastime could be the moment when Western Europe finally joins our war on terrorism. Anti-Islamist fear and anger from the mouths of the European volk is breaking through the surface calm perpetuated by the elite European appeasers. The assassination and mutilation of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh by an Islamic fanatic -- and the retaliatory firebombings of mosques by ethnic Dutchmen -- have forced high European leaders and news outlets to begin to publicly face up to the implications of September 11, 2001 and the migration of Muslims in large and hostile numbers into the heart of Europe.

From Holland's leading newspaper, the Telegraaf, to Germany's liberal Berliner Zeitung and Der Spiegel (roughly, the European equivalents of the The New York Times, The Washington Post and Time Magazine) has come the same heated prose that could be found in the United States in the aftermath of September 11. And here in the United States, even the liberal National Public Radio Network's "All Things Considered" is beginning to seriously report European volkish fury the way they usually report breathlessly on the latest developments in Brazilian rainforest depletion.

Der Spiegel wrote: "The veil of multiculturalism has been lifted, revealing parallel societies where the law of the state does not apply." The Berliner Zeitung headlined their story: "Fear is spreading." In Holland the very dignified Telegraaf wrote: "magazines and papers which include incitements should be suppressed, unsuitable mosques should be shut down and imams who encourage illegal acts should be thrown out of the country." Earlier this week NPR's "All Things Considered" reported on the findings of German television's ZDF-TV after they had secretly placed a camera inside a German Islamic Mosque. The Imam is heard saying (in translation): "Those Germans, those atheists, they don't shave their armpits. Their sweat spreads evil smells. They stink. They are atheists. What good do they do to us? And since they are unbelievers, in the afterlife, they can only burn in hell." Obviously, this did not go down well when the German public saw and heard such things.

Later in the NPR report they quoted from other communications by German Islamists now being revealed to the German public. A teacher at the Riksdorfer Elementary School -- a German government school that under German court ruling three years ago must teach its mostly Muslim students Muslim curriculum -- read an anonymous letter he received: "Germany is an Islamic country. Islam is in the home, in schools. Germans will be outnumbered. We [Muslims] will say what we want. We'll live how we want. It's outrageous that Germans demand we speak their language. Our children will have our language, our laws, our culture."

It is just such inflammatory events that led Der Spiegel this week to report that "A debate on the integration of Muslims is raging in Germany." The article went on to report that: "Computer keyboards across the country are smoking as editorialists pontificate on the pros and cons of multiculturalism. It is heated and on the verge of becoming poisoned."

Heating the German national broth is the re-emergence of a call for German "Leitkultur," the term for the dominant and guiding culture. Der Spiegel quotes Christian Democratic leader Joerg Schoenbohm: "In the Middle Ages, ghettos were founded to marginalize the Jews. Today, some of the foreigners who live with us in Germany have founded their own ghettos because they scorn us Germans. Those who come here have to adopt the German Leitkultur. Our history has developed over a thousand years. We cannot allow that this basis of our commonality be destroyed by foreigners."

Edmund Stoibel, the Bavarian Christian Social Union's candidate for chancellor two years ago, said: "We have to defend the Christian tradition of our country." Even the Social Democrat Chancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schroeder, called for banning headscarves for schoolteachers in German public schools.

Meanwhile, the green/animal rights left of the European spectrum has started demonstrating against the Islamic Eid Al-Adha, or Feast of Sacrifice, because it requires the throat-slitting of rams and lambs.

Italian police in the town of Luino recently had to break up the left-wing demonstrators as they confronted angry Muslim celebrants who were chanting "Allah- u Akhbar" in front of the Luino slaughterhouse.

In a recent article Chuck Colson quotes Bassam Tibi, a moderate Muslim leader in Germany: "Either Islam gets Europeanized or Europe gets Islamized." The speaker of the Dutch Parliament, Jozias van Aartsen, proclaimed two weeks ago that "The jihad has come to the Netherlands," while at a memorial to Mr. van Gogh a Dutch schoolteacher said that "This is not just a small event. It's part of the World Trade Center and Madrid. We must see this."

Yes, through the blinding smoke of Iraq and through the endless fuming of M. Chirac, the common people -- the timeless volk -- of Europe are beginning to see their true enemy -- radical Islam. The will to survive and prevail is not yet spent in the hearts of our European cousins. They are late to the battle that is now raging. But they are not too late. The second great anti-fascist Euro-American alliance is now beginning to form on the foundation of our two common democratic peoples. Their spineless governments will follow, and will soon be run by fighting leaders uplifted from the ranks.


Interesting article. This is what I never understood about the European dispise of the US over this. Europe will be the next battleground for this radical Islam due to a negative birth rate and influx of peoples from the ME and Africa.

If they dont get on the train and realize they need to do something about it. Then it will be too late. And if any of these reports are true. The radicals will have little care for the freedoms they trample on the christians. The same freedoms they give the radicals right now.


 

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
last time I checked France is second in the world in Military expenditures.
Also they have about 10 centuries of asswhopping on their record, From the days of the Holy Roman Empire & Charlemange through the 1900's. People just bash on them because they were overrun in ww2. Of course they don't criticize poland, austria, czechslovakia, etc. Really the French and americans has very similar attitudes in many ways, and thats the main reason why we go at it.
Like americans? Secularism, food, socialism, a certain sort of uniformity, language and culture...
France has been whacked quite a lot times in history. Not to deny their military importance and strength in history and even today.
I don't think anyone bashes a country for being overrun. France is sometimes bashed for willingness to collaberate after occupation. Any such bashing has little to do with current politics.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Big thing Americans overlook is that the actual Legitimate goverment of france did not captipulate they were sent packing and America gave legitamcy to the Vichy puppet.
That is Americas view.
the true French patriots fought on against fascism even when the US govt tried to hinder them.
But De gaulle fought and resisted the united states britan (who decided since the french were down for then it was a good time to steal colonies while nazi were overrunning france!! WTF??)
America even threatened to use force to keep De gaulle from taking back a fascist occupied colony up by canada in north america!
Read your history sometime from a real book not a US textbook
Wait a second...The Musee de l'Armee in Invalides doesn't even tell that story.

What source are you using?
Um...alright, I'll throw it out to the group then. Has anyone else ever heard this version of WWII events and if so, can you provide a source?
Uh...hello? Anyone have a source?
 

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Big thing Americans overlook is that the actual Legitimate goverment of france did not captipulate they were sent packing and America gave legitamcy to the Vichy puppet.
That is Americas view.
the true French patriots fought on against fascism even when the US govt tried to hinder them.
But De gaulle fought and resisted the united states britan (who decided since the french were down for then it was a good time to steal colonies while nazi were overrunning france!! WTF??)
America even threatened to use force to keep De gaulle from taking back a fascist occupied colony up by canada in north america!
Read your history sometime from a real book not a US textbook

P.S. we did not win the war for europeans either -the russians did the lions share of fighting we were the johnny come latleys after we profited off of selling stuff to the germans we came in last minute and invaded so russia didnt steal all of europe and monopolize the american/european trade.
We didn't come in to WW2 to free the world from fascism we went in for the typical american reason at the last minute...$$$$
Pacific is a whole nother story. Lots of American profiting off that too.
Don't forget our colonies out there we had to protect that the japs wanted for their own selfish purposes.

ROFL......let me guess, you are French? LOL!!!!!

French have lost every military operation in modern history. The only war they won was their own civil war!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA............................so funny to read a French/French lover trying to rewrite history.

WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR EYES!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!

- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

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hahah! Nice commentary!
 

Steeplerot

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How did france lose ww1? How did France lose ww2 in the end? Go read your history which you obviously know nothing about.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Big thing Americans overlook is that the actual Legitimate goverment of france did not captipulate they were sent packing and America gave legitamcy to the Vichy puppet.
That is Americas view.
the true French patriots fought on against fascism even when the US govt tried to hinder them.
But De gaulle fought and resisted the united states britan (who decided since the french were down for then it was a good time to steal colonies while nazi were overrunning france!! WTF??)
America even threatened to use force to keep De gaulle from taking back a fascist occupied colony up by canada in north america!
Read your history sometime from a real book not a US textbook
Wait a second...The Musee d'Armee in Invalides doesn't even tell that story.

What source are you using?
Um...alright, I'll throw it out to the group then. Has anyone else ever heard this version of WWII events and if so, can you provide a source?
Uh...hello? Anyone have a source?

Check out stuff on General de Gaulle and the Free French Forces, this stuff I wrote in the post is from books read years ago here is a bit about Saint Pierre the French Colony in north america I am looking the bit about the threats from Truman I think (possibly roosevelt it's been awhile since I read about this.)
PS I am NOT French in any way whatsoever.

World War Two http://worldatwar.net/article/miquelon/

Saint Pierre and Miquelon mobilized with the rest of the French Empire in September, 1939. The colony contributed 550 soldiers and sailors to the doomed cause. Twenty seven of them never returned. Enthusiasm for the conflict was not entirely universal. The Popular Front?s policies had not been very popular with the islanders, especially among those in the colony?s business and clerical elite.

Though no fighting took place on the islands, the June, 1940 armistice left St. Pierre and Miquelon in a most precarious situation. Its nearest neighbor, Newfoundland, was under the rule of a British controlled commission and Britain supported de Gaulle. Canada and the neutral United States recognized Vichy as the legitimate government of France but froze French assets. The entire Atlantic coast of metropolitan France was occupied by Germany. The population of the colony soared as the French Admiralty ordered fishing trawlers and their crews to remain in St. Pierre. The islands were incapable of sustaining agriculture and with no foreign exchange to pay for imported goods, famine became an imminent possibility. Finally, Canada and the United States agreed to release $80,000 a month in frozen assets to provide relief for St. Pierre and Miquelon.

There was strong sympathy for General de Gaulle, especially among the veterans of the Great War but the Vichy administrator?s control of relief funds provided him with great leverage over expressions of public opinion.


here's abit more I picked up. http://www.lanecc.edu/library/don/stpierre.htm
SPM was the first bit of France to be liberated in WW II. A Free French force sailed over from Halifax and evicted the Vichy governor. Even tho Washington diplomats complained loudly to de Gaulle about his "arbitrary" action, this was a great morale-boster for the Allied cause.


De Gaulle's intentions were frustrated in some measure by "political considerations" on the part of the British, who had no desire to upset the Americans, and in some measure by the presence of the Ville d'Ys. When the sloop sailed for Martinique as a result of Canadian threats to cut off supplies and re-freeze funds -- and under a guarantee of safe passage from the British -- only American policy stood in de Gaulle's path.

In the spring of 1941 jockeying began in earnest among the US, Canada, and Newfoundland over the fate of the islands, with military contingency plans, much diplomatic posturing, and no small amount of confusion and contention. At the same time, Free French corvettes on North Atlantic convoy duty often came within easy striking range of St. Pierre and Miquelon. A civilian group in Quebec plotted its own landing to rally the colony. Canadian troops of the Lake Superior Regiment were held in readiness as "Q Force" to land on the island at short notice. Economic pressure -- notably withholding food and coal -- was threatened in retaliation for real or imagined deeds by de Bournat such as tipping the Axis about Allied convoy routes and using the colony's powerful radio transmitter to send coded messages.

While these wheels spun, Vice-Admiral Emile Henri Muselier of the Free French arrived in St. John's, Newfoundland, on 9 December 1941 with de Gaulle's directive to take the islands. The next day de Gaulle sought Churchill's approval for the move. The British readily assented but on 15 December asked the French to postpone the operation long enough that American and Canadian approval could be secured; it was "clearly assumed that this would be readily granted now that the United States was a full belligerent in the war."

In the event, Cordell Hull, the Secretary of State, strongly disapproved and the Canadians and British accepted the American decision. Muselier and de Gaulle reluctantly agreed to cancel the operation. While preparing to return to London, however, Muselier received a sudden and unexpected signal from de Gaulle to occupy the islands without first notifying the Allies.

Early on the morning of 24 December 1941 the Free French flotilla of corvettes Mimosa, Alysse, and Aconit and submarine Surcouf arrived off St. Pierre with a detachment of marines who proceeded to land and occupy the island without resistance.
The next day the long-delayed plebiscite was finally conducted and the populace overwhelmingly voted to rally to Free France. De Bournat was taken into protective custody and a few of the most vociferous Vichyites detained, but Muselier proved remarkably lenient and there was little bitterness or strife between the rival islanders. A new Gaullist Administrator was appointed. However, reaction was not favorable from any quarter. Among other penalties, it was no longer possible to deposit "unblocked" funds from frozen Vichy accounts for use by the new colonial regime. With economic pressure, talk of an American blockade, and constant rumors of a counter-invasion to be mounted from the Vichy French West Indies, by the Americans, or even by the Canadians, the islands were prepared for defense.

more coming a lot of history about this is in French, not surprising seeing how uninformed most americans seem to be about French history besides what rush or the simpsons tells them.
 

b0mbrman

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Check out stuff on General de Gaulle and the Free French Forces, this stuff I wrote in the post is from books read years ago here is a bit about Saint Pierre the French Colony in north america I am looking the bit about the threats from Truman I think (possibly roosevelt it's been awhile since I read about this.)
PS I am NOT French in any way whatsoever.
Oh, I'm well aware of Charles de Gaulle and France Libre...nor am I anti-French in any way whatsoever
 

Steeplerot

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I am not a fan of France or anything but being a history buff reading hate-mongering stuff like:
Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

French have lost every military operation in modern history. The only war they won was their own civil <snip>

Makes Americans look even more like ignorant fools.
Folks, France is NOT against us nor is any other country in Europe it is your president and the punduits on the radio fox etc. that are against everyone, but America....... except for the "liberal elite" half. :roll: They hate America too. How can people listen to rush or those other windbags?
Weird when I was young noone wanted to be their asshole racist father now they vote for him.






 

Dangermouse33

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I am not a fan of France or anything but being a history buff reading hate-mongering stuff like:
Originally posted by: Dangermouse33

French have lost every military operation in modern history. The only war they won was their own civil <snip>

Makes Americans look even more like ignorant fools.
Folks, France is NOT against us nor is any other country in Europe it is your president and the punduits on the radio fox etc. that are against everyone, but America....... except for the "liberal elite" half. :roll: They hate America too. How can people listen to rush or those other windbags?
Weird when I was young noone wanted to be their asshole racist father now they vote for him.

Hey Steeple, that was NOT my post....
 

drewshin

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The US seems to be starting to follow France in war inadequacy:

Last 3 wars:

Korean: tie (armstice)
Vietnam: loss (communists take over)
Gulf War: win (won fighting white flags and stationary tanks)


 

drewshin

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again, no word from the french haters here that germany has lost its last two wars. passions says it all, "germans have a history of kicking ass". it either shows how little he knows of the history of germany or some type of nazi admiration to me.