So.. who knows things about old, old macs?

ViperMagic

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I've got a Mac classic I want to make do things, it runs System 6.0.7 and Finder 6.1.7 (by "Larry, John, Steve and Bruce" as it says. An OS with a "By" line.... those were the days). I'd like to network it and have it do something seemingly useful. I'd like a screensaver for it too if anyone knows where to get it.. Google failed a lot. Maybe make it a webserver? I dont know. Something. Anyone know how?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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I don't think that thing has the ability to connect to anything other than itself. I mean ... really. I was playing a game of Chess on one of those back when I was in junior high. I made a move, it insulted me by saying in some very choppy computer voice "it must be hard to be human" and checkmated me. :eek:
 

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I don't think that thing has the ability to connect to anything other than itself. I mean ... really. I was playing a game of Chess on one of those back when I was in junior high. I made a move, it insulted me by saying in some very choppy computer voice "it must be hard to be human" and checkmated me. :eek:

backyard target practice comes to mind on the item in question..12ga patterning will do nicely with the proper choke at 25 yds ;)
 

Jzero

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This is about all it's good for.

Seriously. One of the computer labs at my school actually used one of these as a doorstop (amusingly, it was cable-locked to the wall so no one would steal it!). I don't think it has any networking capabilities. It isn't PPC, won't run anything other than old versions of MacOS and maybe you could find some games for it.
 

Scarpozzi

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Back in those days the only way those could be networked was through an appletalk network right? Check the finder and see if you can locate MAC TCP on the menu anywhere. If you can't find that, you're going to be sunk as far as TCP/IP is concerned.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I don't think that thing has the ability to connect to anything other than itself. I mean ... really. I was playing a game of Chess on one of those back when I was in junior high. I made a move, it insulted me by saying in some very choppy computer voice "it must be hard to be human" and checkmated me. :eek:

Bwahahaa, owned! :)
 

ViperMagic

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I suppose I could get another on ebay or soemthing. And I'd rahter keep the OS the same, as theres some vintage games and such on there that I doubt my ability to ever see in another place again.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: ViperMagic
I suppose I could get another on ebay or soemthing. And I'd rahter keep the OS the same, as theres some vintage games and such on there that I doubt my ability to ever see in another place again.

What, Hot Dog Stand and Life And Death? You should be able to find those or reasonable facsimilies somewhere on the net :)
 

ViperMagic

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Yeah, not destroying it.


I cnat find anything about Mac TCP, but MS Word's got getmail/send mail buttons in it, and theres an appletalk menu...
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Appletalk is just talking to a printer, basically. IIRC. Printer over a network maybe? Is appletalk between macs themselves??
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Appletalk is just talking to a printer, basically. IIRC. Printer over a network maybe? Is appletalk between macs themselves??

Macs should be able to talk to each other over AppleTalk. It's similar to NetBEUI. And just as chatty. :)
 

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Originally posted by: ViperMagic
Yeah, not destroying it.


I cnat find anything about Mac TCP, but MS Word's got getmail/send mail buttons in it, and theres an appletalk menu...
Appletalk is what apple called it when they plugged two computers together and said, "HEY LOOK! I can communicate with that computer through this little wire!" There wasn't exactly any thought behind it other than that. TCP/IP is a real networking protocol and without being able to use it, you're sunk. I never liked any version of MAC OS before 7.6 and whenever I used a system with that (be it an LCIII or what have you), I would immediately upgrade Open Transport to 1.1.1 and then 1.1.2 to get MAC TCP to go away and be replaced with TCP/IP. Save yourself the networking woes and ditch the idea of networking the system. Farralon makes transeivers for old MACs and might be able to tell you if it's possible to network that particular model, but I highly doubt it.
 

manly

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We used to use those class of machines to produce the weekly newspaper in high school. :eek:

Seriously though, they aren't worth any effort tweaking in this day and age. Even back when it was introduced, the idea was fairly questionable. Because full-fledged Macs (i.e. Quadras and Performas) were relatively costly, Apple decided to remarket a whole line of retro products based on the ORIGINAL Mac form factor. Not only is the form factor silly (unless you live in a small cardboard box), but the original Mac Classic was also based on the original 68K processor with a gray-scale CRT. It's a seriously underpowered machine (later Mac Classic revisions were better). Even the years-older Mac SE (same general form factor) was a much better machine.

It would be as if Dell introduced a classic-styled PC today (big & boxy) and instead of it having a P4 processor and contemporary components, it came with a 386, 8 MB RAM and a plain VGA display.

But you know what they say about Mac users. ;)
 

malbojah

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: ViperMagic
I suppose I could get another on ebay or soemthing. And I'd rahter keep the OS the same, as theres some vintage games and such on there that I doubt my ability to ever see in another place again.

What, Hot Dog Stand and Life And Death? You should be able to find those or reasonable facsimilies somewhere on the net :)

I still perfer 'Sperm from Space' and 'Armor Alley'
 

amdskip

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I usually rip them apart for what its worth. Keep the screws and sell the scsi hard drive.
 

ElFenix

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ah os 6... i remember running it on an SE with an 030 upgrade card...
 

Tallgeese

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
ah os 6... i remember running it on an SE with an 030 upgrade card...
I had an SE/30...man I thought that was awesome. How innocent I was, little blacksmith ;)

To connect this Mac Classic to an Ethernet network, you'd need to buy an Appletalk to Ethernet bridge. Not cheap (maybe find a used one tho)
To get this Mac Classic to communicate via TCP/IP, you'd need to download and install MacTCP, which (believe it or not) can be found on Apple's Older Software Downloads page.

IMHO, too much hassle and expense tryin to get this connected to anything.
Snag a copy of Dark Castle, Glider, Crystal Crazy or the best game to ever be released for black and white Macs...BOMBER! (believe it or not, that damn thing was Hypercard-based!)