So - where are the WMD ???

[flexy]

yeah, where are they ? Wasn't this one (if not *the*one) reason to go to war with Iraq ?

So...where are they ???

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: flexy
yeah, where are they ? Wasn't this one (if not *the*one) reason to go to war with Iraq ?

So...where are they ???

Maryland.

 

[Zrom999]

Out destroying Powells political career.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Zrom999
Out destroying Powells political career.

Don't forget Bush's and Blair's

CkG

 

[tnitsuj]

It's not going to hurt thier careers one bit. The American people have the shortest attention span in the world. As far as they are concerned the war is over and they really don't care any more even if the administration lied and manipulated the evidence or lack of.

 

[sMiLeYz]

They were already unleashed on the Conservatives... except they're weapons of mass denial! Muahahhahaha

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
It's not going to hurt thier careers one bit. The American people have the shortest attention span in the world. As far as they are concerned the war is over and they really don't care any more even if the administration lied and manipulated the evidence or lack of.

Very true - guess if they forgot about Clinton using the same WMD excuse for attacking Iraq, then they'll forget again.

CkG

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: flexy
yeah, where are they ? Wasn't this one (if not *the*one) reason to go to war with Iraq ?

So...where are they ???

Maryland.

Wait wait wait...

I got a even better one...

Tom DeLay redrew the Iraq district lines to include Maryland, thus Bush declares the smoking gun has been found in Iraq!

Muahahahahhahaha

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
It's not going to hurt thier careers one bit. The American people have the shortest attention span in the world. As far as they are concerned the war is over and they really don't care any more even if the administration lied and manipulated the evidence or lack of.

Very true - guess if they forgot about Clinton using the same WMD excuse for attacking Iraq, then they'll forget again.

CkG

I confess I have that same problem. When did Clinton go to war with Iraq?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
It's not going to hurt thier careers one bit. The American people have the shortest attention span in the world. As far as they are concerned the war is over and they really don't care any more even if the administration lied and manipulated the evidence or lack of.

Very true - guess if they forgot about Clinton using the same WMD excuse for attacking Iraq, then they'll forget again.

CkG

I confess I have that same problem. When did Clinton go to war with Iraq?

In December 1998 Clinton attacked Iraq, google it

CkG

 

[Insane3D]

Are you guys looking for the WMD's? I'm sorry, Saddam asked me to keep them in my basement for him. If you want to see them, you need to come over by tomorrow, since I am selling them to Bozo the clown and his nefarious gang of uber terrorists...




**Warning - The above post is in my usual, neffing, off topic style, which is NOT etech approved. Please read with caution.**

:Q

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Are you guys looking for the WMD's? I'm sorry, Saddam asked me to keep them in my basement for him. If you want to see them, you need to come over by tomorrow, since I am selling them to Bozo the clown and his nefarious gang of uber terrorists...




**Warning - The above post is in my usual, neffing, off topic style, which is NOT etech approved. Please read with caution.**

:Q

No need to travel, I can host it

CkG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Are you guys looking for the WMD's? I'm sorry, Saddam asked me to keep them in my basement for him. If you want to see them, you need to come over by tomorrow, since I am selling them to Bozo the clown and his nefarious gang of uber terrorists...




**Warning - The above post is in my usual, neffing, off topic style, which is NOT etech approved. Please read with caution.**

:Q

I thought fireworks were illegal in your state?

 

[Insane3D]

No need to travel, I can host it.

Let me clear that with Saddam on our top secret sandal phone direct line...

I thought fireworks were illegal in your state?

Ahhh, that was a problem initially, but I just declared my basement was located in international waters, thus exempt from silly state laws.. :Q

**Warning - The above post is in my usual, neffing, off topic style, which is NOT etech approved. Please read with caution.**

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

No need to travel, I can host it.

Let me clear that with Saddam on our top secret sandal phone direct line...

I thought fireworks were illegal in your state?

Ahhh, that was a problem initially, but I just declared my basement was located in international waters, thus exempt from silly state laws.. :Q

**Warning - The above post is in my usual, neffing, off topic style, which is NOT etech approved. Please read with caution.**

A sump pump will clear that right up. Oops- forgot, I am supposed to be bitter. Sorry for the sense of humor

 

[etech]

A sump pump will clear that right up. Oops- forgot, I am supposed to be bitter. Sorry for the sense of humor

It appears that Insane3D has the corner on bitterness. Poor guy, perhaps I shouldn't have been so rough on him. It appears he can't get me out of his mind now.

Waiting for Insane3D to now reply with one of his "humerous" posts.

C'mon Insane3d, we are all expecting great things from your self-exalted sense of "humor". Don't let us down.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

No need to travel, I can host it.

Let me clear that with Saddam on our top secret sandal phone direct line...

I thought fireworks were illegal in your state?

Ahhh, that was a problem initially, but I just declared my basement was located in international waters, thus exempt from silly state laws.. :Q

**Warning - The above post is in my usual, neffing, off topic style, which is NOT etech approved. Please read with caution.**

:Q

You didn't get the memo? The sandal line might not be safe!:Q I sure hope you had the latest service pack installed, otherwise those black helicoptors will be overhead in a matter of moments!:Q



CkG

Pstt... user/pass is ima/Deadman , notify me once the upload is complete

 

[ElFenix]

you go find half a swimming pool's worth of chemical agent in an area the size of california

 

[Insane3D]

I am sorry. It was bad for me to try to make a joke. I will not make any more such attempts at humor in this thread. I should be more serious with my posting. This style of post I have been using is inappropiate for such a serious topic. I think I need to take things much more seriously from now on, lest I lose all my credibility.

 

[LunarRay]

After reading 1441 again and again I think the issue of WMD ought to be an issue for the UN. It appears that 1441 reafirms the status of Iraq, Kuwait and member states as being soveriegn. The UN decided to reconvien if Iraq was in continuing breach and then determine what to do... this means to me that all prior resolutions are included and defined not to implicitly or explicitly give invasion orders to any nation(s) unilaterally. So to put the WMD cart back behind the invasion horse the dialog on finding thus justifying invasion is not appropriate argument for Bush. He gets everyone to buy off on the legitimate invasion by finding WMD and I think the invasion for any reason was still on the table there at the UN. The draft resolution did not pass into a presented resolution so there was and continues to be NO authority to invade.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: HJD1
After reading 1441 again and again I think the issue of WMD ought to be an issue for the UN. It appears that 1441 reafirms the status of Iraq, Kuwait and member states as being soveriegn. The UN decided to reconvien if Iraq was in continuing breach and then determine what to do... this means to me that all prior resolutions are included and defined not to implicitly or explicitly give invasion orders to any nation(s) unilaterally. So to put the WMD cart back behind the invasion horse the dialog on finding thus justifying invasion is not appropriate argument for Bush. He gets everyone to buy off on the legitimate invasion by finding WMD and I think the invasion for any reason was still on the table there at the UN. The draft resolution did not pass into a presented resolution so there was and continues to be NO authority to invade.

HJD1,

Is it not ironic that if evidence for the justification for this war turns out to be manufactured for convience, that we invaded Iraq with no more legitimacy than Iraq had when invading Kuwait?

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
It's not going to hurt thier careers one bit. The American people have the shortest attention span in the world. As far as they are concerned the war is over and they really don't care any more even if the administration lied and manipulated the evidence or lack of.

Yeah, as soon as this becomes a bigger issue than the economy, the terror alert will rise from orange to red

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: HJD1
After reading 1441 again and again I think the issue of WMD ought to be an issue for the UN. It appears that 1441 reafirms the status of Iraq, Kuwait and member states as being soveriegn. The UN decided to reconvien if Iraq was in continuing breach and then determine what to do... this means to me that all prior resolutions are included and defined not to implicitly or explicitly give invasion orders to any nation(s) unilaterally. So to put the WMD cart back behind the invasion horse the dialog on finding thus justifying invasion is not appropriate argument for Bush. He gets everyone to buy off on the legitimate invasion by finding WMD and I think the invasion for any reason was still on the table there at the UN. The draft resolution did not pass into a presented resolution so there was and continues to be NO authority to invade.

HJD1,

Is it not ironic that if evidence for the justification for this war turns out to be manufactured for convience, that we invaded Iraq with no more legitimacy than Iraq had when invading Kuwait?

This is a no win scenerio for the admin. IF they find a gazillion tons of WMD fine. But, the issue should then be was the find on the one hand a great enough mitagator for the crime (?) to violate the international law on the other...That should be the argument... Assume we already found WMD does it justify the violation...??? I'm not sure... maybe. But all the latest output from back rooms and all really is the worst of all, if true. Lie to mitagate a crime for what purpose? What is the agenda? Oil? Peace? Oil? Stability in the region? Oil?

edit: mitigate is not spelled mitagate....geesh.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Pride, ego, stubbornness. I think they are the reason. I think Bush thought he was doing the right thing, but as time went on, he became convinced of it to the point that he did not want to be confused by facts. Arrogance, combined with the need to be right.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HJD1
After reading 1441 again and again I think the issue of WMD ought to be an issue for the UN. It appears that 1441 reafirms the status of Iraq, Kuwait and member states as being soveriegn. The UN decided to reconvien if Iraq was in continuing breach and then determine what to do... this means to me that all prior resolutions are included and defined not to implicitly or explicitly give invasion orders to any nation(s) unilaterally. So to put the WMD cart back behind the invasion horse the dialog on finding thus justifying invasion is not appropriate argument for Bush. He gets everyone to buy off on the legitimate invasion by finding WMD and I think the invasion for any reason was still on the table there at the UN. The draft resolution did not pass into a presented resolution so there was and continues to be NO authority to invade.

Seems like cease fire terms hinged on this resolution.
687:
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33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the above provisions, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990);

34. Decides to remain seized of the matter and to take such further steps as may be required for the implementation of the present resolution and to secure peace and security in the region.
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Or you could read 1441's:
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Recognizing the threat Iraq?s non-compliance with Council resolutions and
proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to
international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all
necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August
1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore
international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as
a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international
peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and
complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its
programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a
range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such
weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all
other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not
related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

...

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire
would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including
the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without
conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other
relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the Council constitute the
governing standard of Iraqi compliance,
...

---------------
now for the good part:

---------------
1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its
obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular
through Iraq?s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA,
and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687
(1991);
2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this
resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under
relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced
inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the
disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent
resolutions of the Council;
3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament
obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the
Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not
later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and
complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical,
biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such
as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft,
including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, subcomponents,
stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and
work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other
chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for
purposes not related to weapon production or material;
4. Decides that false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted
by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with,
and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a
further material breach of Iraq?s obligations and will be reported to the Council for
assessment in accordance with paragraphs 11 and 12 below;
...
13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that
it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its
obligations;
----------------

Guess Saddam called the UN's "final" bluff(see #2) and then faced "serious consequences"(see #13)

I don't give 2 shits about "we went in without expressed written consent". It is there in black and white. Cease-fire was in 687- BROKEN ; "final opportunity" - BROKEN ; Serious consequences=NOW

I'm done with this whole thing. Keep calling Bush a liar, doesn't matter to me - you spit into the wind. There isn't some "intelligence conspiracy" - we don't have to prove that Saddam had/has WMD, the honus was on him, the result of which the UN said wasn't good enough.
The UN stopped us from taking Saddam out('91), the UN couldn't get Iraq to comply with it's resolutions(12years) = US finishing the job
I don't need any other justification than that. Bush has nothing to do with my reasoning - I thought Clinton should have taken him out in 1998 when he gave him "a final warning". 1441 is just further proof of my stance.

CkG

<- vows to not post about WMDs in another WMD/Iraq thread ....atleast until WMD's are found - I can't wait to serve up a couple plates full of crow to all you naysayers (I know it would be a vengeful act, but the vengeful attacks on Bush deserve a taste of their own medicine )