So when will Mueller complete his investigation?

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What do you seriously think Mueller's next steps will be? Are they doing this full-time or do some of his team also have other obligations? I find it strange that the succession of indictments is rather slow. I mean, it's a team of more than two dozen apparently working on this. When can we expect this investigation to be completed?
 
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UberNeuman

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Seems to be moving along quite nicely thanks for asking leave a tip in the jar on your way out schmuck.
 

alien42

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I find it strange that the succession of indictments is rather slow.

Too bad you're absolutely wrong. Do you seriously not know how long Watergate and Whitewater took? And those were a simple break in and a nothing burger that turned into hanky panky in the oval office. Russiagate is FAR more complicated than both of those.
 

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Read the story above, 538 has done a really nice job summarizing how Mueller is actually moving at warp speed.
 

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Read the story above, 538 has done a really nice job summarizing how Mueller is actually moving at warp speed.

Certainly two things must help- The ability to communicate and sift through mountains of information more efficiently and the crapload of stupid stuff just thrown around to be picked up as evidence.
 

omega3

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Read the story above, 538 has done a really nice job summarizing how Mueller is actually moving at warp speed.
Do you have a link? Would love to read that.

My post was not intented as criticism to be clear. I'm just trying to understand why such an investigation needs many more months or even years? Mueller has a team of 25 investigators and most actors are known by now.

Can anybody maybe explain why they need extra time? Like what do they do on a daily basis?
 

alien42

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Can anybody maybe explain why they need extra time?

You're still either ignoring reality or are just out of touch with it. A decade from now, we still won't know all the details about what happened with Russiagate.
 

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Do you have a link? Would love to read that.

My post was not intented as criticism to be clear. I'm just trying to understand why such an investigation needs many more months or even years? Mueller has a team of 25 investigators and most actors are known by now.

Can anybody maybe explain why they need extra time? Like what do they do on a daily basis?

They have to go through piles of documents, discuss each aspect to piece it together, like a vast jigsaw puzzle. One finding must be well documented and very often branch out from a few people to a great many. What's relevant, what's not, etc. What laws apply and when and on and on.

That jigsaw puzzle of thousands of pieces must fit together perfectly to achieve a complete and just end. It might take years to find sufficient evidence to convict someone because that's how this all works.
 

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-russia-investigation-is-moving-really-freaking-fast/

Found the article. Good read.

Is it fair to say that it won't be the first comings months before folks like Kushner and Don Jr will be interrogated in regards to the Trump Tower meeting and that Trump might be in or voted out of office in 2020 before any charges against him?

It's a real possibility, but it depends on how much info Mueller gets out of key witnesses... and, of course, just how stupid Trump is. Given how he basically admitted to obstruction of justice with Comey, I can't help but think his legal team is terrified he'll tweet something so self-incriminating that Mueller can file charges and end the case tomorrow.
 

Thebobo

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When I'm satisfied! Yep you heard that right, when and only when I am satisfied will the investigation end, and I aint satisfied!
 

Greenman

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What do you seriously think Mueller's next steps will be? Are they doing this full-time or do some of his team also have other obligations? I find it strange that the succession of indictments is rather slow. I mean, it's a team of more than two dozen apparently working on this. When can we expect this investigation to be completed?
I've never understood why these investigations take years, but I also don't understand the scope of what they're looking at. My hunch is Trump will be into his second term before anything comes of it.
 

cytg111

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What do you seriously think Mueller's next steps will be? Are they doing this full-time or do some of his team also have other obligations? I find it strange that the succession of indictments is rather slow. I mean, it's a team of more than two dozen apparently working on this. When can we expect this investigation to be completed?
In two weeks.. according to Trumps new lawyer..
 

jackstar7

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Do you have a link? Would love to read that.

My post was not intented as criticism to be clear. I'm just trying to understand why such an investigation needs many more months or even years? Mueller has a team of 25 investigators and most actors are known by now.

Can anybody maybe explain why they need extra time? Like what do they do on a daily basis?
Do you ever notice that people who seem to be guilty still manage to avoid charges? It's because the law is complicated and if you aren't methodical and meticulous, then everything you set up can be avoided through various loopholes and other legal tricks. Anyone trying to take on the current admin best take all the time needed to make everything stick. Even if they somehow don't link anything directly to Trump, they need to expose the deeds of all those who served him that eschewed ethics and the law.
 

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I've never understood why these investigations take years, but I also don't understand the scope of what they're looking at. My hunch is Trump will be into his second term before anything comes of it.

The best analogy I can think of in a case like this is trying to hunt a particularly wily animal. You don't just run at it with a gun and hope you get lucky; you want to set up the perfect position, use the perfect tools, and wait for the perfect moment. It should only be a question of when you catch your prey rather than "if."

Here, it's that Mueller needs an airtight case. Remember, he'd not only be taking on the President, he'd be taking on a President notorious for lying, obstructing justice and filing lawsuits. If there's even a slight weakness in the case, Trump's legal team will seize on it and try to make Mueller's life a living hell (I wouldn't rule out them suing Mueller himself out of spite). He also has to decide which actions are best at the state level versus federal, since we know Trump will try to pardon as many people as he can.

Hell, you've seen how Trump and crew have made false claims about attorney-client privilege and the data Mueller could use from the raid on Cohen, and that's despite the raid being entirely legal; imagine if there was actually a hint of impropriety, or a hole in Mueller's chain of evidence. His team only really gets one shot at this, so it's better to be slow and methodical.
 

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I've never understood why these investigations take years, but I also don't understand the scope of what they're looking at. My hunch is Trump will be into his second term before anything comes of it.


I don't think Trump will get a second term even if he is not taken down by Mueller. I think Romney is trying to position himself for the next election.
 

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What do you seriously think Mueller's next steps will be? Are they doing this full-time or do some of his team also have other obligations? I find it strange that the succession of indictments is rather slow. I mean, it's a team of more than two dozen apparently working on this. When can we expect this investigation to be completed?
I have found that the most important part of many many questions for me is why they are asked and that pressure on 'why' often evokes anger, as if the person is hiding the motivation from himself or me or both. My feeling about that leads me. therefore, to be disinclined to answer because what is the point of answering question for which the answer isn't the aim of asking as I suspect here.
 

Greenman

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I don't think Trump will get a second term even if he is not taken down by Mueller. I think Romney is trying to position himself for the next election.
While that seems likely, I was pretty much convinced that Trump didn't have a shot the first time around.
If the economy continues to grow, illegal immigration slows dramatically, we get real concessions out of China, and the loony Korean kid gives up his nukes, Trump will have a pretty good shot in 2020. That's assuming nothing comes out of the investigation by then.
 

dawp

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While that seems likely, I was pretty much convinced that Trump didn't have a shot the first time around.
If the economy continues to grow, illegal immigration slows dramatically, we get real concessions out of China, and the loony Korean kid gives up his nukes, Trump will have a pretty good shot in 2020. That's assuming nothing comes out of the investigation by then.

don't forget his age, there is a good possibility he won't make it to 2020, he's not exactly in the best of health.
 

FelixDeCat

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There is nothing to investigate. There was no collusion. All the non related actions are just political stunts. He will probably be kept around long enough to try and disrupt the next election.

It wont work.
 

dawp

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There is nothing to investigate. There was no collusion. All the non related actions are just political stunts. He will probably be kept around long enough to try and disrupt the next election.

It wont work.
do you have proof there was no collusion? or are you just parroting trump.

you are just a troll.
 

cytg111

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There is nothing to investigate. There was no collusion. All the non related actions are just political stunts. He will probably be kept around long enough to try and disrupt the next election.

It wont work.
I've seen this before ... hmmmm

 

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There is nothing to investigate. There was no collusion. All the non related actions are just political stunts. He will probably be kept around long enough to try and disrupt the next election.

It wont work.

полезный идиот
 
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