So when Iraq fragments into three seperate Islamic republics...

[Hayabusa Rider]

How will the Neocons spin it to try and make themselves look good?

I think we'll have two main responses.

First they will say that they liberated the Iraqis so they could make that choice, and the other response will be along the lines of "I thought you libs were against war, and you want us to shoot them for exercising their freedoms?"

Nevermind that these republics may have active terrorist organizations were none were, like Iraq has now. That will be downplayed.

So what else will they come up with?

 

[Strk]

They will say it is a federalist state and say "next question, please."

 

[EatSpam]

They'll start shouting "Iran! Freedumb!!! 9/11!!! Terruh!!" and then begin drooling profusely.

 

[Stunt]

Why would three separate republics be a bad idea?
I've never considered the idea, but most of the world's modern borders have been made on ethnicity and religion...this could help stablize the region.

Before bashing the idea, tell me why it is a bad thing?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Why would three separate republics be a bad idea?
I've never considered the idea, but most of the world's modern borders have been made on ethnicity and religion...this could help stablize the region.

Before bashing the idea, tell me why it is a bad thing?

I wouldn't say its a bad thing, per se. But since 2 of the 3 republics would control the vast majority of the oil, it would lead to civil war.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Stunt
Why would three separate republics be a bad idea?
I've never considered the idea, but most of the world's modern borders have been made on ethnicity and religion...this could help stablize the region.

Before bashing the idea, tell me why it is a bad thing?

I wouldn't say its a bad thing, per se. But since 2 of the 3 republics would control the vast majority of the oil, it would lead to civil war.

Possibly international, since there are Kurds in other nations that don't like their current situation.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Why would three separate republics be a bad idea?
I've never considered the idea, but most of the world's modern borders have been made on ethnicity and religion...this could help stablize the region.

Before bashing the idea, tell me why it is a bad thing?

I am not bashing the idea. I have said all along that it could be the best way for stability. The Neocons on the other hand insisted on "a Democratic Iraq". This would be neither, and a 180 away from what they insisted we are there for. No matter what happens, they will find a way to take credit even is it is diametrically opposed to what they claim they stand for. The question in my mind is how they will do it.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Kurdistan in the North . . .

Basra Province in the South . . .

separated by the DMZ.

 

[maddogchen]

I think three separate states is a good idea. Look at all the trouble in Africa where people just drew lines and grouped together different ethnic, religious, tribal groups. Lots of civil war, hate, jealousy, one group dominating the other.

Now you got the Sunni's afraid of the Shiites, the Kurds siding with the Shiites to spite the Sunni. Now if they were three separate countries then maybe it would be better in the long run each group.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Iraq began as a cobbling together of three areas that didn't like each other . . .
as did Yugosalvia.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Iraq began as a cobbling together of three areas that didn't like each other . . .
as did Yugosalvia.

Yep, the Brits did it, called it a Democracy and declared victory. Pretty much what we will do.

EDIT, that is what we are trying to do. We will just have to let it fall apart, declare victory and run.

 

[PottedMeat]

would the kurds want a islamic republic? if they got their own country in northern iraq, would the ones in turkey try to join up?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
would the kurds want a islamic republic? if they got their own country in northern iraq, would the ones in turkey try to join up?

It depends which group gained power. (Yes, there are multiple groups within groups)

 

[CaptnKirk]

Turkey doesn't want that to happen - to much Political pressure in Southern Turkey.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Turkey doesn't want that to happen - to much Political pressure in Southern Turkey.

The Kurds are terrorists in Turkey. They had to remove outdoor trash cans because the Kurds were putting bombs in them.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Turkey doesn't want that to happen - to much Political pressure in Southern Turkey.

The Kurds are terrorists in Turkey. They had to remove outdoor trash cans because the Kurds were putting bombs in them.

. . . and just how apprectiative of that are the Sunni & Shia in Iraq ?

 

[maddogchen]

Some Kurds are terrorists in Turkey. "The Kurds are terrorists" doesn't sound right. Its like saying "The Arabs are terrorists"

I don't think the Kurds in Turkey like the Sunni either.

edit: Also there are Kurds in Iran who long for their own country too.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Turkey doesn't want that to happen - to much Political pressure in Southern Turkey.

Yup, the Kurds are really the biggest problem, IMO, of a 3 States from 1 in regards to Iraq. The South might just join up with Iran(which would be a big problem in itself), the centre would likely want total autonomy, while the Kurds might begin establishing "Kurdistan". Both Turkey and Iran have a vested interest in preventing the establishment of a Kurdistan, since both control territory that falls within the borders of "Kurdistan".

I kinda doubt iran would invade the North to thwart the establishment of a Kurdistan as that would give the US an excuse to invade Iran, but if Turkey chose to do so, that would really muck up things. Then again, if the South joined up with Iran, Iran just might be tempted to take out the Kurds and the Central part of Iraq all in one fell swoop.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
How will the Neocons spin it to try and make themselves look good?

I think we'll have two main responses.

First they will say that they liberated the Iraqis so they could make that choice, and the other response will be along the lines of "I thought you libs were against war, and you want us to shoot them for exercising their freedoms?"

Nevermind that these republics may have active terrorist organizations were none were, like Iraq has now. That will be downplayed.

So what else will they come up with?

You do realize that the Kurds are predominately Christian! <or not>

 

[Whitecloak]

Iraq, as a state, didnt exist before the first world war.

 

[CaptnKirk]

The original denial to the use of Turkish bases and airspace for our troops during the invasion was due to Turkeys perception of the Kurdish Autonomy problem.
Iran as well has a Northwest border region that is predominately Kurdish, and they'll want to join in on the fun and bring their collective teritory.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: whitecloak
Iraq, as a state, didnt exist before the first world war.

Most of the countryies that now define the middle east and Africa did not exists them.

The decline of colonialism is what created the issue.

 

[Whitecloak]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: whitecloak
Iraq, as a state, didnt exist before the first world war.

Most of the countryies that now define the middle east and Africa did not exists them.

The decline of colonialism is what created the issue.

Actually, it was the defeat of the ottoman empire which defined the current middle east.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: whitecloak

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: whitecloak
Iraq, as a state, didnt exist before the first world war.

Most of the countryies that now define the middle east and Africa did not exists them.

The decline of colonialism is what created the issue.

Actually, it was the defeat of the ottoman empire which defined the current middle east.

I think the the Ottoman empire chose the wrong side in WWI