So, what's the story with this "Save the Internet" hubbub?

[slash196]

http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Why are we just hearing about this now, with a decision to be made on WEDNESDAY? I'm insenced. Can someone shed more light on the subject?

 

[EatSpam]

Basically, big business wants more control over Internet sites and the ability to censor what they don't like.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: slash196
http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Why are we just hearing about this now, with a decision to be made on WEDNESDAY? I'm insenced. Can someone shed more light on the subject?

Congress is pushing a law that would abandon the Internet's First Amendment -- a principle called "Network neutrality" that prevents companies like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast from deciding which Web sites work best for you -- based on what site pays them the most. Your local library shouldn?t have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to have its Web site open quickly on your computer.

Net Neutrality allows everyone to compete on a level playing field and is the reason that the Internet is a force for economic innovation, civic participation and free speech. If the public doesn't speak up now, Congress will cave to a multi-million dollar lobbying campaign by telephone and cable companies that want to decide what you do, where you go, and what you watch online.

This isn?t just speculation -- we've already seen what happens elsewhere when the Internet's gatekeepers get too much control. Last year, Canada's version of AT&T -- Telus -- blocked their Internet customers from visiting a Web site sympathetic to workers with whom Telus was negotiating. And Shaw, a major Canadian cable company, charges an extra $10 a month to subscribers who dare to use a competing Internet telephone service.
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This is not new. You will find this discussed a long while ago in my Internet access thread.

Enjoy handing control of the Internet to your Corporate heros.

 

[Theb]

Wow, congress isn't even going to pretend it cares about "the people" anymore.



23 views and no apologists yet?

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: Theb
Wow, congress isn't even going to pretend it cares about "the people" anymore.



23 views and no apologists yet?

I will apologize for humanity being so stupid...

 

[smashp]

Our representitives only write laws that benifit those that give them the most money

They are whores that will sell their souls to hold on to every once of their power.

 

[techs]

The sickest thing about this is that when it was posted here at ATOT the right wing wackos were screaming "Free Market" in SUPPORT of this bill. The morons said that not passing this bill would....you guessed it....stifle innovation!(where have I heard that before?)

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: slash196
http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Why are we just hearing about this now, with a decision to be made on WEDNESDAY? I'm insenced. Can someone shed more light on the subject?

You're just hearing now because you haven't been paranoid enough to look for it, previously (it's been discussed in P&N, before, BTW). The MSM news isn't too interested, because they will be right up there at the front of the line, to pay.

 

[jjones]

The death of the internet as we have known it is inevitable. We live in what will fondly be remebered as the "Golden Age of Internet", a wild ride through the frontier of a new technology which is already winding down as government and big business wrest control from the people it was meant to serve. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[broon]

How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: jjones
The death of the internet as we have known it is inevitable. We live in what will fondly be remebered as the "Golden Age of Internet", a wild ride through the frontier of a new technology which is already winding down as government and big business wrest control from the people it was meant to serve. Enjoy it while it lasts.

:thumbsup:

Except they will remember the internet as we know it as a haven for pirates, pedo's, and everything else negative.

But you are correct, it is inevitable. With the way the internet currently runs, we have too much freedom. And they can't have that. Our freedom costs them control, and they won't allow it for much longer.

 

[Worlocked]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: jjones
The death of the internet as we have known it is inevitable. We live in what will fondly be remebered as the "Golden Age of Internet", a wild ride through the frontier of a new technology which is already winding down as government and big business wrest control from the people it was meant to serve. Enjoy it while it lasts.

:thumbsup:

Except they will remember the internet as we know it as a haven for pirates, pedo's, and everything else negative.

But you are correct, it is inevitable. With the way the internet currently runs, we have too much freedom. And they can't have that. Our freedom costs them control, and they won't allow it for much longer.

Don't forget the Terrorists. I'm sure this will in some way be hailed as a victory for the war on terror in the history books.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

It has everything to do with the free market. You can't get on the internet without a provider. That provider is making money and can choose to restrict/modify/alter/whatever your access as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that they are trying to limit free speech. I'll modify my previous statement. If you don't like it, start up your own ISP.

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

It has everything to do with the free market. You can't get on the internet without a provider. That provider is making money and can choose to restrict/modify/alter/whatever your access as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that they are trying to limit free speech. I'll modify my previous statement. If you don't like it, start up your own ISP.

Yeah, because everyone can just start their own ISP. Dumbass. GTFO the internet if you don't care about it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Excuse me, when did the ChiComs become in charge?

 

[blackangst1]

I dont know...it seems all these cries of "end of the internet as we know it" are alarmist. Maybe it would be better for our government to control the net?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

It has everything to do with the free market. You can't get on the internet without a provider. That provider is making money and can choose to restrict/modify/alter/whatever your access as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that they are trying to limit free speech. I'll modify my previous statement. If you don't like it, start up your own ISP.

Yeah, because everyone can just start their own ISP. Dumbass. GTFO the internet if you don't care about it.

Heh, Im left and I agree with that statement. If ISP's begin blocking, an enterprenuer somewhere will begin a company that does not.

 

[blackangst1]

There are a few parts of the bill that dispute this firestorm of regulation:

* Require Internet-based telephone services to offer 9-1-1 capabilities while ensuring Internet telephone providers have access to all necessary 9-1-1 infrastructure and technology. (Good thing as this doesnt exist yet)

* Clarify the FCC authority to prevent Internet service providers from blocking or degrading any content or applications delivered over the public Internet.

* Allow cities and towns to develop their own broadband networks.

Amontg other things. These clearly refute any claims made that corporations can or will limit content.

Source with links to bill: http://www.benton.org/index.php?q=node/1882

 

[xtknight]

Proxies FTW.

 

[PingSpike]

ISPs will now sell a bundle pack of one year of internet service at $70/mo that requires you to install a popup service AND they're throwing in one of those new phillips TVs that forces you to watch commercials. This bill is about value to the consumer! Who can put a price on being ass raped with a large cactus?

Next thing you know our government will vote to protect the anti capitalist local cable monoplies...whoops!

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I dont know...it seems all these cries of "end of the internet as we know it" are alarmist. Maybe it would be better for our government to control the net?

Why in God's name would you think it would be better for the Government or a corporation to control the content on the internet? Why not just burn the US flag and replace it with a Chinese flag.

When you go on to Google and do a search for anything, do you think it is fair for the government to show you what they want you to see? Or for your ISP to show you a product or whatever that pays them the most amount of money??? That is anti free market because a lot of people do not have more than a few choices for internet access (broadband). I currently use Cox high speed, my only other choice is Sprint DSL. Do you think that I want to decide which to use based on which provides the most access to the complete internet?

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

It has everything to do with the free market. You can't get on the internet without a provider. That provider is making money and can choose to restrict/modify/alter/whatever your access as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that they are trying to limit free speech. I'll modify my previous statement. If you don't like it, start up your own ISP.

Yeah, because everyone can just start their own ISP. Dumbass. GTFO the internet if you don't care about it.

Heh, Im left and I agree with that statement. If ISP's begin blocking, an enterprenuer somewhere will begin a company that does not.

I'm not making the statement from a political position. More of a realistic one.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

It has everything to do with the free market. You can't get on the internet without a provider. That provider is making money and can choose to restrict/modify/alter/whatever your access as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that they are trying to limit free speech. I'll modify my previous statement. If you don't like it, start up your own ISP.

Yeah, because everyone can just start their own ISP. Dumbass. GTFO the internet if you don't care about it.

Heh, Im left and I agree with that statement. If ISP's begin blocking, an enterprenuer somewhere will begin a company that does not.

No they won't. Not with the cable companies local monopolies protected by the government and the piss poor penetration of DSL on the market. How many of us only have two choices right now...the one broadband provider that can reach you...or dialup? I'm raising my hand right now.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: broon
How is this any different than a TV station deciding what you get to see? Or a cable/satellite company deciding which commercials to run? If you don't like it, create your own private network. Money will win every time. Capitalism at it's best.

This doesn't have anything to do with the free market. If you actually understood what this is about, you'd see that.

It has everything to do with the free market. You can't get on the internet without a provider. That provider is making money and can choose to restrict/modify/alter/whatever your access as they see fit. I don't see anywhere that they are trying to limit free speech. I'll modify my previous statement. If you don't like it, start up your own ISP.

Yeah, because everyone can just start their own ISP. Dumbass. GTFO the internet if you don't care about it.

Heh, Im left and I agree with that statement. If ISP's begin blocking, an enterprenuer somewhere will begin a company that does not.

No they won't. Not with the cable companies local monopolies protected by the government and the piss poor penetration of DSL on the market. How many of us only have two choices right now...the one broadband provider that can reach you...or dialup? I'm raising my hand right now.

Or no High Speed Internet option.

In fact there is no local call option for where I live.

Every call is considered long distance and charged accordingly.