So what's the reason YF-23 lost to F-22?

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  1. luvya

    luvya Banned

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    I love them both, but I think the YF-23 is a more advanced looking fighter, while the F-22 still has a trace of F-15. I dunno...can someone sum up the differences between these two fighters? And what is happening to YF-23? Is it of no use now? That would be sad, considering the amount of money going into the R&D and other stuff.

    YF-23

    F-22
     
  2. Anubis

    Anubis No Lifer

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    i couldent t ell you what ewither of thoes look like or what they are used for other then the fact that they are jets i have no idea
     
  3. FleshLight

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    Lockheed was the lowest bidder?
     
  4. dc

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    i liked the yf23 more also.
     
  5. LtPage1

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    well, at least we know the people making the decision werent going on looks alone. :)
     
  6. ed21x

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    the yf was more stealthy while the f-22 had much better maneuverability. In the end, they chose the f-22 as the compromise.
     
  7. UglyCasanova

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    I remember watching a show on PBS about the contest they had, and something about the YF-23 didn't work right or something (vertical takeoff I think, but I could be way wrong) and that's a big reason why it lost. Then again that was a while ago and I hardly remember anything about it, so I'm prolly just talking out of my ass. :p
     
  8. Godsend1

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    Doh triple post.
     
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    You have it right. The YF-23 had problems with the VTOL.
     
  11. Don Vito Corleone

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    Actually that show was about the Joint Strike Fighter, not the F-22. It was a really interesting documentary, though. IIRC the Boeing X-35 couldn't perform the VTOL part of its demonstration without having a part of the skin removed, whereas the Lockheed Martin X-32 was able to do it seamlessly with the rest of the demonstration.
     
  12. George P Burdell

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    coz the F-22 will go stealth and pwn your ass
     
  13. maddogchen

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    YF-23 had VTOL? I don't think so...I don't think the F-22 has that either

    I forgot since it was so long ago. i think it was because of cost, and the F-22 outperformed the YF-23 in flight tests, combat tests.
     
  14. duke

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    You're refering to the Joint Strike Fighter that was on Nova/PBS. Neither the YF-23 nor the F-22 is capable of VTOL.
     
  15. Falloutboy

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    the F22 was better was better in flight tests
    the YF-23 was better in stealth but not by a whole lot
    the F22 was cheaper. so they went with the f22.

    now I read somewhere thier working on a tailess F-22 for testing that is controlled exclusivley by vectored thrust, now this thing should have some sick manuverabilty.
     
  16. maddogchen

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    oh yeah I forgot to mention....YF-23 did not have the supercruise and the vector thrusting thingofamajig...
     
  17. ed21x

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    of course it did- as that was the requirement for competing with the f-22. In terms of specs, but planes were nearly identical-- however, the choice of the f-22 over the yf-23 reflected the emphasis of maintaining maneuverability over stealth. The yf-23 was an awesome plane, with 3d thrust vectoring, lower radar signarure, and supercruise- but the f-22 was far more agile.
     
  18. maddogchen

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    the YF-23 had 3D thrust vectoring? how can it have 3d vecor thrusting with its top mounted exhaust? it looks like it can only go 2d
    YF-23 jpg with topmounted exhaust showing
     
  19. 0roo0roo

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    yf-23 was more anime type cool
     
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    I LIKE THE YF23 on looks alone, but i hear the f22 is more reliable and better at flying
     
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    from what i remember the 23 loses someof its stealth with external weap mounts. the 22 has internal weap.
     
  23. luvya

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    Quoted from http://www.voodoo.cz/yf23/info.html: "In the pursuit of stealth, all of the weapons carried by the F-23 were to have been housed completely internally. The forward section of the fuselage underbelly was flat, with a capacious weapons bay immediately aft of the nose gear bay. The bay could carry four AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles. The missiles were to be launched by having the doors open and the missiles extend out into the airstream on trapezes. The missiles would then drop free and the motor would fire. The doors would then immediately shut, minimizing the amount of time that they were open and thus possibly causing more intense radar returns"

    So it looks like the YF-23 hides all its weapons internally.
     
  24. Chompman

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    Either way they can pwn more or less anyone and cost more then we will ever see :D
     
  25. Fritzo

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    It wsa on Wings in Discovery Channel. They couldn't make a working YF-23 by the deadline and they were way over budget, plus the F-22 had better specs.