So what's Air Security like now?

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

After this foiled attack?

I'm away on travel, but I'm reading and watching CNN and seeing how there's a "one hour rule" that airlines get to use discretion with. Well, to me even if the one hour rule were in full effect where no one can get up and walk around in the last hour, a flight across the Pacific is like 12 hours long. So you make it harder for someone to create trouble at the last hour, but what about the other 11 hours? To me, this is another stupid rule like the knee-jerk response after the liquid bomb incident to ban all liquids. But I guess now we allow people to bring limited quantities of liquids.

Also another question: Are all checked-in bags manually inspected now (on top of X-Ray screening)? Or is it still a luck of the draw thing?

 

[KillerCharlie]

It's no different than it has been in the past few years. I flew for Christmas before the latest bomb incident and flew back home after the incident. Security checks were not different in any way.

 

[JasonSix78]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e7_1262034653

 

[Rubycon]

I don't know but I searched for "butt inspection gloves" on youtube and found this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfF9jgwysHg

 

[rudder]

I am selling relief bags for $20 and making a killing. These are for the last hour of flight when they won't let you out of your seat.

 

[KMc]

I'll be on that same Amsterdam to DTW flight in a week and a half. Should be interesting.

 

[arcenite]

Here's what they need to do.

1.) 2 dogs at each security gate, each person must get sniffed by both of them
2.) Each person must be scanned with an MRI machine
3.) Once on your flight, you will be hogtied in your seat.

Only then, would I fly.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

I flew nationally yesterday and security was exactly the same (remove shoes, belts, jackets, sweatshirts, metal, 3 oz liquids). The screen itself took 30 seconds, but the line was ridiculous cause they only had 1 metal detector open.

 

[BillGates]

Here's what they need to do.

1.) 2 dogs at each security gate, each person must get sniffed by both of them
2.) Each person must be scanned with an MRI machine
3.) Once on your flight, you will be hogtied in your seat.

Only then, would I fly.

No, they just need racial profiling. F all the PC bullshiat.

 

[Zebo]

LOL you call it a foiled attack because guy was incompetent? He got on plane with explosives dispite our people being warned by his own father.

 

[PottedMeat]

Here's what they need to do.

1.) 2 dogs at each security gate, each person must get sniffed by both of them
2.) Each person must be scanned with an MRI machine
3.) Once on your flight, you will be hogtied in your seat.

Only then, would I fly.

They should just invent individual stasis pods. Scan the pods before takeoff. Make all planes those bigass freight A380's, dump all the life support shit except for the pilot, and cram the pods on. A frozen passenger is a good passenger.

 

[fatpat268]

I haven't flown in 15 years... and after all this security shit, I'd be happy if I don't have to fly for another 15 years.

 

[tranceport]

I think it's obvious that some of the stuff we go through is pointless. Like turning off your electronics, If there was a danger they would not let you bring it on the plane.

I flew to a lot of different cities. Each place does it somewhat differently.

 

[jlee]

I think it's obvious that some of the stuff we go through is pointless. Like turning off your electronics, If there was a danger they would not let you bring it on the plane.

I flew to a lot of different cities. Each place does it somewhat differently.

I sat next to an airline pilot on a flight earlier this year -- I asked him about that, and he said he had his cell phone in his pocket (years ago, I think) and it made some stuff up in the cockpit go screwy. I guess the the "turn off all electronic devices" stuff is just easier than clarifying anything and having airline people figure out what is what. Not like they would ever know if something was left on anyway...hell my Palm doesn't even have a power switch.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Security wasn't any different for me yesterday than before the foiled attempt. The holiday traffic and crowding sucked as always.

 

[Platypus]

I sat next to an airline pilot on a flight earlier this year -- I asked him about that, and he said he had his cell phone in his pocket (years ago, I think) and it made some stuff up in the cockpit go screwy. I guess the the "turn off all electronic devices" stuff is just easier than clarifying anything and having airline people figure out what is what. Not like they would ever know if something was left on anyway...hell my Palm doesn't even have a power switch.

They are intentionally vague about this rule. The real issue is that the FAA and the government doesn't want to spend the money to do proper testing. They claim there is potential for some specific devices to cause issues with the avionics (or more likely, causing ground cell tower confusion among the carriers which is another huge part of the ban) but it has never been once proven and it's cheaper for them to just ban it than spend the money to do proper testing.

It makes sense to ban them because it's easier to be intentionally vague about a possible issue than to actually spend the money to prove it isnt an issue. Additionally, the FAA doesn't want to be blamed if for some reason a phone could be responsible so again the ban is the path of least resistance.

If you think about all the people who probably just blatantly ignore the rule and leave their phones on, that is probably a pretty decent percentage and not once has it ever been proven that a phone can cause interference.

Lastly, a lot of airlines offer the sky phone feature.. why pass up a perfectly good opportunity to charge you for something?

 

[iversonyin]

You must fly naked.

 

[sivart]

You must fly naked.

Wouldn't all the air sickness bags be full before take off if they did this? :awe:

 

[AreaCode707]

No, they just need racial profiling. F all the PC bullshiat.

Yeah, since it's impossible for extremist groups to recruit dissatisfied young white guys.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I agree with the dogs. they should be able to sniff out anything, besides up someones ass.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Wouldn't all the air sickness bags be full before take off if they did this? :awe:

pshh not on my flights. i fly with the hot hollywood actresses and the rich folk who look good.

 

[darkxshade]

After this foiled attack?

I'm away on travel, but I'm reading and watching CNN and seeing how there's a "one hour rule" that airlines get to use discretion with. Well, to me even if the one hour rule were in full effect where no one can get up and walk around in the last hour, a flight across the Pacific is like 12 hours long. So you make it harder for someone to create trouble at the last hour, but what about the other 11 hours? To me, this is another stupid rule like the knee-jerk response after the liquid bomb incident to ban all liquids. But I guess now we allow people to bring limited quantities of liquids.

Also another question: Are all checked-in bags manually inspected now (on top of X-Ray screening)? Or is it still a luck of the draw thing?

I think the last hour rule(and this is only my speculation) is to avoid crashing a plane into a densely populated area as you are most likely flying over cities at this point as you prepare for landing. The other 11 hours you might be flying over water or around cities, the casualties are limited to just those on the plane.

I'm flying on the 9th myself, hopefully this won't affect me much, I got a backpack and a carry-on for a 4 day 3 night snowboarding trip. NY -> UT

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I think the last hour rule(and this is only my speculation) is to avoid crashing a plane into a densely populated area as you are most likely flying over cities at this point as you prepare for landing. The other 11 hours you might be flying over water or around cities, the casualties are limited to just those on the plane.

Right. That was what this Christmas day attack dealt with. IT was a guy trying to crash a plane over a densely populated area or an airport. But a crash is a crash. An airport is big enough your chances of crashing into a plane and slamming through 5 others before destroying a terminal building are far smaller than your chances of slamming into a runway or into just open space.

To me it's quite retarded to keep implementing these rules based on the "previous attack" when it's obvious that a simple tweak in a terrorist's strategy will make these new rules completely out of date.

Just like the last guy tried a shoe bomb. Then a liquid bomb. Now an underwear bomb. Searching shoes and confiscating water bottles has not done squat. It's quite obvious benching people during the last hour isn't going to do squat either because even if we make the 1 hour rule a permanent rule, it's pretty obvious the next attempt will not be during the last one hour.

 

[darkxshade]

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you, just guessing a reason why they might've done the last hour rule and not the other hours... you asked /shrug

It is ridiculous, commercial flights are just too big an industry to keep an complete eye on. They're acting as if they are trying to prevent everything possible and I respect them but they are just far too inconsistent with their procedures. One airport they won't allow nailclippers, another would, etc. At this point, not allowing knives or sharp objects into a plane should be an obsolete rule since the cockpit I believe is locked in flight and any attempt to hijack a plane with a knives these days would be met with fail since 9/11. No one is going to sit around and let the authorities negoiate anymore, people would hop off their seats to save themselves these days.