so what wrong with vista ?

[ciproxr]

i keep reading how i shouldnt install it and that its not worth and and that it has issues but i never hear anyone say anything specific .....what wrong with vista ? why are people saying their going to stay with xp till vista works out the issues , what issues ?

 

[AgentJean]

All new software has bugs.

XP had bugs when it first came out as did Win 95. Lets not even talk about Windows ME.

Also right now there is no real point to upgrade to Vista even if your agamer. There isn't any DX 10 hardware on the market and it is said that publishers will still have DX9 code in their DX10 enabled games to allow for more sales.

 

[ciproxr]

oh well i actually just wanted to try out the "newer" interface and check out those new effects their advertising.....

 

[apoppin]

there are a lot of reasons . . .

some people just hate microsoft. Some are disappointed that some promised "functionality" will be delayed . . . e.g. Vista will ship with the Desktop running on DX9 and will be PATCHED into DX10 with SP1 [or 2]

. . . There is no point to upgrade to Vista ESPECIALLY if you are a gamer [now] . . .
. . . DX9 games will run dog-slow compared to XP and there will be no "full DX10 games" for probably another two years.


You SHOULD try it and decide for yourself. Also read up on it.

IMO, the [only] real reason to upgrade [now] is for the improved security over XP.

 

[Atheus]

Vista is not released yet, it's in beta - that means Microsoft is telling you it still has bugs.

DX9 games will run dog-slow compared to XP

Really? Why? That's gonna surprise a lot of people... if it's true, I doubt MS will advertise the fact.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Vista is not released yet, it's in beta - that means Microsoft is telling you it still has bugs.

DX9 games will run dog-slow compared to XP

Really? Why? That's gonna surprise a lot of people... if it's true, I doubt MS will advertise the fact.

AnandTech's Windows Vista Update: RC1/5728 Preview

Unfortunately, gaming performance is still lagging behind, heavily at times, and this is troubling. Gamers will no doubt stay away from Vista if the final version and final video drivers continue to underperform, but there's also the larger issue of how computers are becoming increasingly reliant on the GPU for general tasks, something Microsoft itself is pushing with the new video threading systems for Vista and forthcoming DirectX 10-class video hardware.

why? because the desktop runs on the GPU and continues to tax it during gaming. 😛

and they don't tell there will be NO 'full dx10' games for 2 years . . . nor will Vista ship with DX10 for the desktop oob . . . it will be patched later when the HW base grows sufficiently probably SP1 or 2.

you need to disregard the offiicial hype. . .
--there are 'issues'

. . . . and also the spewed illogic of the haters
--it is not 'the end of the world' O/S

READ up on it [there are literally dozens of threads on it] and TRY it [RC1 or2] for yourself.

and this is a good place to discuss, i guess . . .

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: AgentJean
All new software has bugs.

XP had bugs when it first came out as did Win 95. Lets not even talk about Windows ME.

Also right now there is no real point to upgrade to Vista even if your agamer. There isn't any DX 10 hardware on the market and it is said that publishers will still have DX9 code in their DX10 enabled games to allow for more sales.

I don't think windows ME was ever not buggy. The entire time I've had this OS, there were problems.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

I don't think windows ME was ever not buggy. The entire time I've had this OS, there were problems.

the 'conspiracy' theory of the time was that it was developed so that users HAD to upgrade to XP. 😛
:Q

😀

they sure hyped the crap outta ME . . . they should have stopped with 98SE.
:thumbsdown:

 

[apoppin]

and as i head out on 'break' . . . here's something not to like about Vista:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234

Microsoft has released licenses for the Windows Vista operating system that dramatically differ from those for Windows XP in that they limit the number of times that retail editions can be transferred to another device.
. .
"The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device," reads the license for Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, and Business. In other words, once a retail copy of Vista is installed on a PC, it can be moved to another system only once.

😛

kinda tough if you upgrade more than once in 5 years or so.

edit: this was supposed to be an 'edit' not a separate post. 😱

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Smartazz

I don't think windows ME was ever not buggy. The entire time I've had this OS, there were problems.

the 'conspiracy' theory of the time was that it was developed so that users HAD to upgrade to XP. 😛
:Q

😀

they sure hyped the crap outta ME . . . they should have stopped with 98SE.
:thumbsdown:

I never used 98 or 95 though. I only had 3.1, ME, and XP. I've had a lot of old Mac OS's though.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Smartazz

I don't think windows ME was ever not buggy. The entire time I've had this OS, there were problems.

the 'conspiracy' theory of the time was that it was developed so that users HAD to upgrade to XP. 😛
:Q

😀

they sure hyped the crap outta ME . . . they should have stopped with 98SE.
:thumbsdown:

I never used 98 or 95 though. I only had 3.1, ME, and XP. I've had a lot of old Mac OS's though.

98Se was an excellent and relatively stable O/S compared with ME . . .

and 'see' you fit the 'theory' . . . you HAD to upgrade from ME to XP . . .


😀


i went from SE to 2K
[but have owned and operated ME and XP . . . ME lasted on my laptop less than a week . . .]

😀

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
and as i head out on 'break' . . . here's something not to like about Vista:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234

Microsoft has released licenses for the Windows Vista operating system that dramatically differ from those for Windows XP in that they limit the number of times that retail editions can be transferred to another device.
. .
"The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device," reads the license for Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, and Business. In other words, once a retail copy of Vista is installed on a PC, it can be moved to another system only once.

😛

kinda tough if you upgrade more than once in 5 years or so.

edit: this was supposed to be an 'edit' not a separate post. 😱

That's the dumbest licence I ever head of. There is no point in that licence other than to make the (legit, paying) user buy a new copy every 5 minutes. What if I put it on a computer, some cheapo component dies at some point, and I'm forced to replace it with one I have lying around. I reinstall Windows - that's my one reinstall gone. Then I get the replacement component back from the shop and swap it out again, but I can't reinstall Windows this time - it's my third strike, I'm out.

Give it about 2 weeks from release before this is cracked. If it takes longer than that I'll do it myself.

 

[Smartazz]

I think microsoft is making a mistake if they go through with this idea.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Smartazz
I think microsoft is making a mistake if they go through with this idea.

which one?
😕

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: apoppin
and as i head out on 'break' . . . here's something not to like about Vista:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234

Microsoft has released licenses for the Windows Vista operating system that dramatically differ from those for Windows XP in that they limit the number of times that retail editions can be transferred to another device.
. .
"The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device," reads the license for Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, and Business. In other words, once a retail copy of Vista is installed on a PC, it can be moved to another system only once.

😛

kinda tough if you upgrade more than once in 5 years or so.

edit: this was supposed to be an 'edit' not a separate post. 😱

That's the dumbest licence I ever head of. There is no point in that licence other than to make the (legit, paying) user buy a new copy every 5 minutes. What if I put it on a computer, some cheapo component dies at some point, and I'm forced to replace it with one I have lying around. I reinstall Windows - that's my one reinstall gone. Then I get the replacement component back from the shop and swap it out again, but I can't reinstall Windows this time - it's my third strike, I'm out.

Give it about 2 weeks from release before this is cracked. If it takes longer than that I'll do it myself.

I think with Vista the license is still tied to the mobo, although I'm sure if they wanted to they could make it if you change out a stick of ram you need to new license. Only time will tell.

 

[BladeVenom]

The licensing agreement, the bugs, and the fact that they had to leave out many features that weren't ready yet, dissuades one from getting Vista until SP1, or unitl you have to have it for DirectX10.

 

[AgentJean]

There is no need to get Vista to play DX10 games.
DX9L for XP is the same as DX10
details here

 

[dfuze]

ciproxr, if you want to try out their interface, by all means, install it on another hard drive, or partition your main drive and pop it on the 2nd partition. This will allow you to dual boot and still use your XP any time you want to.

Oh, and seeing your signature, I was able to run BF2 great on my 2nd box, and AMD 2500+ mobile (socket A), 1 gb ram, and a 6200 in a 32 person server just fine w/ excellent fram rates. 😉

 

[blazerazor]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: apoppin
and as i head out on 'break' . . . here's something not to like about Vista:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/software/193300234

Microsoft has released licenses for the Windows Vista operating system that dramatically differ from those for Windows XP in that they limit the number of times that retail editions can be transferred to another device.
. .
"The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device," reads the license for Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, and Business. In other words, once a retail copy of Vista is installed on a PC, it can be moved to another system only once.

😛

kinda tough if you upgrade more than once in 5 years or so.

edit: this was supposed to be an 'edit' not a separate post. 😱

That's the dumbest licence I ever head of. There is no point in that licence other than to make the (legit, paying) user buy a new copy every 5 minutes. What if I put it on a computer, some cheapo component dies at some point, and I'm forced to replace it with one I have lying around. I reinstall Windows - that's my one reinstall gone. Then I get the replacement component back from the shop and swap it out again, but I can't reinstall Windows this time - it's my third strike, I'm out.

Give it about 2 weeks from release before this is cracked. If it takes longer than that I'll do it myself.

If that $hit is true, and DOESNT get crack'd, I'm FOR SURE on the MAC WAGON.