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So what would you do in this situation?

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By Patty Fisher (SJ Mercury News correspondent)

Vaibhav Chopda knows he has no hope of ever finding his silver Honda Civic, which was towed from his apartment complex nine months ago. He has given up hope that the DMV or the district attorney will help him. But he still hopes to teach a lesson to the guys who took his car and sold it.

"What they did was wrong; it was wrong," he says.

He's right, but he is having a hard time proving it.

You may recall Chopda's story. Last April the engineer and his wife went on a six-week trip to India and left his 2004 Civic DX sedan parked at his Mountain View apartment complex. He didn't know the complex manager had hired Auto Ambulance, a Santa Clara towing company, to do a sweep of the parking lot and remove abandoned cars.

A forgotten sticker

Because Chopda had forgotten to put his current registration sticker on his car, the towing company considered it abandoned, slapped a warning notice on it and then towed it on May 1, even though a quick check with the Department of Motor Vehicles would have shown that his registration was current.

When Chopda returned in June, he found his car gone and a letter from the towing company saying it would be sold at a lien sale.

But by the time he got the letter, the car already had been sold for $2,280. And the new owner immediately turned around and listed it on Craigslist for $8,500.

Chopda and his wife, as you can imagine, were beside themselves. So was I.
And so were readers when they heard his story. If your car isn't safe at your own apartment complex, where is it safe? While the company had the right to tow the car, it didn't have the right to sell it. State law says if a car is worth $4,000 or more, the towing company has to jump through a bunch of hoops, which takes more than a couple of months, and then hold onto the car for 10 days after the sale so the original owner can claim it.

Auto Ambulance didn't do that. The company proceeded as if the car were valued at $4,000 or less, which only requires 31 days' notice. If the company had followed the law, Chopda would have gotten his car back.

No case, says DA.

Chopda figured he had a case against Auto Ambulance and went to the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office. But after going over the company's records, the DA told Chopda it wasn't going to prosecute.

"They'll be only making a criminal case if they manage to find a few more victims like me," Chopda told me. "They wouldn't be able to do much if I am the lone victim."

The lien sale regulations are in the civil code, so his only option is to sue the towing company. But he hasn't found a lawyer willing to take the case.

Matt Harris from the DA's consumer protection unit confirmed that the investigation is closed.

"We spent lots and lots of time trying to get to the bottom of it," he said.

Harris said he couldn't find evidence that Auto Ambulance had a pattern of underestimating car values. "If there had been a pattern, we would have been all over it," he said.

I talked to Anthony Boskovich, the attorney for Auto Ambulance, who said the company turned over hundreds of pages of documents to the DA about this and past lien sales.

"Everything was in order," he said.

Boskovich insists the company acted in good faith and had no way of knowing the car's value.

"Because it was towed, they don't have the keys," he said. "You're looking at a car that you can't start; you don't know the mileage. You don't even know if it runs."

But even if it had 100,000 miles on it and was only in "fair" condition, the Kelley Blue Book value on a 2004 Civic DX is $4,905. If the guy who tried to sell it on Craigslist thought it was worth $8,500, how could the towing company figure it was worth less than half that?

At this point, the couple's only resort is to go to small claims court. They're hoping to find other victims and ask anyone who might be able to help with the case to contact Chopda at VaibhavChopda@yahoo.com.

"I believe that testimony by an expert witness is crucial for me to convince the judge," he said. "But people in the towing company business aren't willing to speak against other towing companies."

If they win, the most they can get in small claims court is $7,500 - and the satisfaction of seeing justice done.

Meanwhile, they are trying to put this awful experience behind them. They had to borrow $8,000 from friends to buy another car ? and have paid off that loan. And they have moved to another apartment complex, one with assigned parking slots.

"Whenever I take a trip in the future, I will definitely park my car at somebody's place that I know, somebody who can check it every day.''

Cliffs.
* Dude goes to India for 6 weeks with family.
* Dude paid car registration. Forgets to place sticker on car. Parks in Apartment parking.
* Dude comes back to find his car has been towed by a auto towing company hired by apartment management.
* Dude finds that his car is being sold in letter mailed to him in his absence.
* Dude finds out that the car was sold for $2280. Buyer turns arounds and lists it for $8500.
* Dude finds that he's out of luck.
* Dude pissed.
 
Maybe he royally pissed someone off and this is karma coming back to haunt him???

I hate the way the article makes totally absolves him of any blame for this...had he simply put the sticker on the car, none of this would have ever happened...

The apartment has the right to tow vehicles that don't have current stickers...how are they supposed to know he was out of the country on vacation?
 
How were they able to legally sell the car without having the title?

EDIT:
While the company had the right to tow the car, it didn't have the right to sell it. State law says if a car is worth $4,000 or more, the towing company has to jump through a bunch of hoops, which takes more than a couple of months, and then hold onto the car for 10 days after the sale so the original owner can claim it.

Auto Ambulance didn't do that. The company proceeded as if the car were valued at $4,000 or less, which only requires 31 days' notice.

That's bullshit. The towing company stole their car IMO.
 
don't they need to run a clean title check first and that should have told them it was properly registered?

I wonder if they can just list it as abandoned without checking title first?
 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Maybe he royally pissed someone off and this is karma coming back to haunt him???

I hate the way the article makes totally absolves him of any blame for this...had he simply put the sticker on the car, none of this would have ever happened...

The apartment has the right to tow vehicles that don't have current stickers...how are they supposed to know he was out of the country on vacation?

I don't have an issue with the towing, but they SOLD HIS CAR. I don't see how that can be legal.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
How were they able to legally sell the car without having the title?

EDIT:
While the company had the right to tow the car, it didn't have the right to sell it. State law says if a car is worth $4,000 or more, the towing company has to jump through a bunch of hoops, which takes more than a couple of months, and then hold onto the car for 10 days after the sale so the original owner can claim it.

Auto Ambulance didn't do that. The company proceeded as if the car were valued at $4,000 or less, which only requires 31 days' notice.

That's bullshit. The towing company stole their car IMO.

They placed a lien on the car since it was towed...

from the article, "The lien sale regulations are in the civil code, so his only option is to sue the towing company. But he hasn't found a lawyer willing to take the case."
 
so was the civic paid off since it was an 04?
i would think if he just stopped paying if he did not have the title
then honda or whoever he financed thru, would have gotten the car back period.
 
This is such an obvious case of fraud that I can't believe these folks don't have lawyers lining up for the publicity of getting the guy his car back.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
This is such an obvious case of fraud that I can't believe these folks don't have lawyers lining up for the publicity of getting the guy his car back.

How is it fraud if he never put the registration on the car? Were they supposed to store the car indefinitely just in case the owner reappears one day? Me thinks that a good percentage of cars towed are never recovered by their owners. It was a POS Civic, it probably looked like an abandoned car.

Obviously they (and others) thought the car was worth less than $4,000 on the market. I dont have auction prices available to me right now, but I bet a 5 year old Civic probably goes for around that price on the auction market now.
 
Because Chopda had forgotten to put his current registration sticker on his car, the towing company considered it abandoned, slapped a warning notice on it and then towed it on May 1, even though a quick check with the Department of Motor Vehicles would have shown that his registration was current.

Yes, he forgot the sticker but does the towing company have any obligation to run a check through the DMV if it decides to proceed with a lien sale?
 
I stopped reading after it said he forgot to put his tags on his car. That's the first thing I do when I exit the DMV with sticker in hand.
 
seems insane that neither the DMV nor apartment complex managers would make any attempt to contact the owner.

though if I were going away for 6 weeks, I'd have made sure my landlord knew about it.
 
Originally posted by: dbk
Because Chopda had forgotten to put his current registration sticker on his car, the towing company considered it abandoned, slapped a warning notice on it and then towed it on May 1, even though a quick check with the Department of Motor Vehicles would have shown that his registration was current.

Yes, he forgot the sticker but does the towing company have any obligation to run a check through the DMV if it decides to proceed with a lien sale?

I would say no...it's up to the owner to properly display permits and licenses.

The towing company acted in good faith, provided notice and then used the legal means in their power to dispose of the vehicle.

It's a sad case, but too many let emotions dictate our laws. All criminals no matter how hardened will at least act sorry 9 times out of 10 when caught. All asshats are sad when you beat the fuck out them when they tried to steal your wallet too.

Shouldn't get them a do over.

The tenant should have also informed the landlord or property manager that he would not be in the country, that his vehicle would be in the parking lot, and if they had an emergency to deal with it as if they had his approval.
 
I'm fine with the towing.

While the company had the right to tow the car, it didn't have the right to sell it. State law says if a car is worth $4,000 or more, the towing company has to jump through a bunch of hoops, which takes more than a couple of months, and then hold onto the car for 10 days after the sale so the original owner can claim it.

Auto Ambulance didn't do that. The company proceeded as if the car were valued at $4,000 or less, which only requires 31 days' notice. If the company had followed the law, Chopda would have gotten his car back.

This is the part that's complete bullshit.
 
What is the car worth? If under 10K you dont need a lawyer anyways. Most states small claiims cover upto 10,000. If they indeed didnt follow the state law it should be a pretty easy case to prove and have a court award him the cost of the lost car.
 
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