He's right, all those phones had unlocked bootloaders, only the verizon sgs3 seems to be locked up.
Nand write/s-off are htc terms, never heard of them being used with samsung phones.
ALL verizon phones are locked, but those listed just have unencrypted bootloaders. No encryption != unlocked. You still have to root the phone and physically run an adb command in order to have access to the bootloader, but it's easy and trivial to the point of the phone might as well be unlocked. There are a lot of one click apps that do this.
You people are just arguing about semantics.
On topic: VZW has no plans to release JB yet. I'm sure they'll do it in a year or 2.
You can repeat it as many times as you want, but you're still wrong.
Samsung-branded phones have been COMPLETELY UNLOCKED until now. On my Fascinate, I was able to flash any partition with whatever I liked straight from the box, without any "unlock" nonsense.
Nothinman
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I didn't go "on and on", I gave brief speculation about why Verizon locks down their phones in addition to the standard lock-in that virtually every carrier and vendor attempts to create to varying levels and success.
And the Galaxy Nexus had a locked, but unencrypted, bootloader. The security may have been simple and easy to disable, but it was still there out of the box. No amount of arguing semantics will change that.
Seems like you never owned any of those phones, if you did you'd know that the bootloader is unlocked and you can flash a kernel with built-in root from download mode right out of the box.
Explain how I'm able to flash any kernel out of the box without "unlocking" my phone?ALL verizon phones are locked, but those listed just have unencrypted bootloaders. No encryption != unlocked. You still have to root the phone and physically run an adb command in order to have access to the bootloader, but it's easy and trivial to the point of the phone might as well be unlocked. There are a lot of one click apps that do this.
You people are just arguing about semantics.
On topic: VZW has no plans to release JB yet. I'm sure they'll do it in a year or 2.
I don't think you understand what the term "unlocked" means.
If it was locked, I wouldn't be able to flash anything period.
I have never had to run an "adb command" in my life to access the boot loader. Hell, I don't even know what an "adb command" is. What the heck is that?
Stop spreading FUD, please.
Thank you.
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First, don't be a jackass. Thanks.
Second, it's my understanding all verizon phones are locked in the sense that if you don't root or unlock your phone, it's not possible to flash anything custom on it. If the phone is not locked down, it's possible the flashing tool you use will take care of that unlocking for you because its trivial. Like I said, for any phone that's not encrypted, this should be a one click app, or one adb command if you're doing it manually through the droid SDK. Just because you never ran the command doesn't mean your flashing tools don't do it for you.
Also, a phone's bootloader can be locked and you can still flash stuff to it. Galaxy S3 is locked down tight, but you can flash a custom rom on it to get root access fairly easily. Even then, there are various different methods of obtaining root on the s3, some of which don't require flashing.
So maybe I don't understand the term "unlocked" completely, but you certainly don't and are not the person to be telling me anything.
Are you trying to get blocked by everyone for irremediable foolishness?Second, it's my understanding all verizon phones are locked in the sense that if you don't root or unlock your phone, it's not possible to flash anything custom on it. If the phone is not locked down, it's possible the flashing tool you use will take care of that unlocking for you because its trivial. Like I said, for any phone that's not encrypted, this should be a one click app, or one adb command if you're doing it manually through the droid SDK. Just because you never ran the command doesn't mean your flashing tools don't do it for you.
Your "understanding" is zero, acquired thirdhand as misunderstanding or from others who didn't understand. Ours is tons of firsthand experience. You are wrong, have always been wrong, and continue to be wrong. In fact, I'm wondering if you and the other FUD spreaders here are continuing to repeat the same nonsense to intentionally shill for Verizon.
Samsung-branded phones have NEVER BEEN LOCKED before now. Period. There's no stealth unlock because nothing has ever been locked. There has never been (and still isn't, even on the VZ S3) a NAND lock either -- that's HTC's private brand of foolishness. In fact, the older SGS firmwares didn't even have signature checks on the stock recovery, allowing you to reflash anything and everything just by transferring an update.zip!
This is an ex-parrot.
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Your "understanding" is absolutely wrong.First, don't be a jackass. Thanks.
Second, it's my understanding all verizon phones are locked in the sense that if you don't root or unlock your phone, it's not possible to flash anything custom on it. If the phone is not locked down, it's possible the flashing tool you use will take care of that unlocking for you because its trivial. Like I said, for any phone that's not encrypted, this should be a one click app, or one adb command if you're doing it manually through the droid SDK. Just because you never ran the command doesn't mean your flashing tools don't do it for you.
Also, a phone's bootloader can be locked and you can still flash stuff to it. Galaxy S3 is locked down tight, but you can flash a custom rom on it to get root access fairly easily. Even then, there are various different methods of obtaining root on the s3, some of which don't require flashing.
So maybe I don't understand the term "unlocked" completely.
The flashing tool I use does not.
Based on your post in this thread, you clearly do not.
Numerous people who are more knowledgeable on this issue than I am have already commented in this thread.
Again, stop spreading FUD.
Correct, because I had a droid X before the S3 and that one was locked up even tighter. I just find it hard to believe big brother Red had phones that are unlocked in the first place based on their corporate policy of trying to milk every dime and penny out of you. The galaxy nexus also came with a locked bootloader but it was easily unlockable as it was not encrypted.
What's a NAND lock? You talking to the wrong person? Also the galaxy nexus had a locked (but unecrypted) bootloader that was easily unlocked, but I don't know about any of the previous generation ones. Sorry if I'm mistaken about the locked bootloaders since I never played with the samsung phones before the S3.
Not trying to, and you can stop it by linking some sources instead of "I did it so it must be unlocked!"
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