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APR chip will put the 1.8t up to about 205 HP/250 ft.lbs

Not bad for $350.
 

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My vote goes for a loaded Pontiac Vibe GT with a 6 speed. I know I'll get flamed for it, but I only drive GM. I was going to recommend what I have, but I personally don't like the trunk lids on the 2003 Cavaliers. I like the Vibe because it's not like the rest of everything that's out there. The curb weight of the Vibe GT slides right above my car by 50 pounds. If you look at my signature, that's what I'm running a quarter mile in stock with no mods whatsoever. I figure for another 40 HP, you should be down to the high 14s. If you don't like my suggestion, at least give the car a test drive... you never know if you may like it or not.
 
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oh, also on the Spec, for under a grand you can get it to 200HP and about 195lbs ft. of torque.

So for less than $20K you'll have a 200HP(same as RSX type-S but way better torque) 15.3 1/4 mile grocery getter.
 

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Originally posted by: AMDStunna
My vote goes for a loaded Pontiac Vibe GT with a 6 speed. I know I'll get flamed for it, but I only drive GM. I was going to recommend what I have, but I personally don't like the trunk lids on the 2003 Cavaliers. I like the Vibe because it's not like the rest of everything that's out there. The curb weight of the Vibe GT slides right above my car by 50 pounds. If you look at my signature, that's what I'm running a quarter mile in stock with no mods whatsoever. I figure for another 40 HP, you should be down to the high 14s. If you don't like my suggestion, at least give the car a test drive... you never know if you may like it or not.

GM huh? Toyota motor.....
 

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: AMDStunna
My vote goes for a loaded Pontiac Vibe GT with a 6 speed. I know I'll get flamed for it, but I only drive GM. I was going to recommend what I have, but I personally don't like the trunk lids on the 2003 Cavaliers. I like the Vibe because it's not like the rest of everything that's out there. The curb weight of the Vibe GT slides right above my car by 50 pounds. If you look at my signature, that's what I'm running a quarter mile in stock with no mods whatsoever. I figure for another 40 HP, you should be down to the high 14s. If you don't like my suggestion, at least give the car a test drive... you never know if you may like it or not.

GM huh? Toyota motor.....

Wasn't it built in conjunction with Toyota?
 

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Truthfully, I would keep that existing car if I were you for another 2 years. Even though interest rates are extremely low now, you have another 50,000 miles before that car is even broken in. :D I would keep it and then get 8,000 out of it in 2004....then get something newer at that time...no need in going into debt over a new car when you don't know what the economy is going to do in the next few years....

<----has many friends in financial troubles
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: AMDStunna
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: AMDStunna
My vote goes for a loaded Pontiac Vibe GT with a 6 speed. I know I'll get flamed for it, but I only drive GM. I was going to recommend what I have, but I personally don't like the trunk lids on the 2003 Cavaliers. I like the Vibe because it's not like the rest of everything that's out there. The curb weight of the Vibe GT slides right above my car by 50 pounds. If you look at my signature, that's what I'm running a quarter mile in stock with no mods whatsoever. I figure for another 40 HP, you should be down to the high 14s. If you don't like my suggestion, at least give the car a test drive... you never know if you may like it or not.

GM huh? Toyota motor.....

Wasn't it built in conjunction with Toyota?

The 180 horse motor is pure Toyota, right out of the Celica. I'm pretty sure the base motor is the Corolla motor. Both are pure Toyota designs.
 

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
My current list (this is going to be popular ;)):

Suzuki Baja
PT Cruiser
Aztech
Hyundai Tiburon


amish

Suzuki- haven't seen it yet, but they are well built cars
PT Cruiser- Only if its the turbo version
Aztech- smoke some crack did ya?
Tiburon- nothing bad to say about it. Good warranty.

I'm dead serious too. If I were in the market, these would be the first 4 I'd check out. Strictly based on looks. If the quality or reliability is an issue, or I didn't like them upon test-drive I'd drop them.

amish
 

OS

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Originally posted by: AMDStunna
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: AMDStunna
My vote goes for a loaded Pontiac Vibe GT with a 6 speed. I know I'll get flamed for it, but I only drive GM. I was going to recommend what I have, but I personally don't like the trunk lids on the 2003 Cavaliers. I like the Vibe because it's not like the rest of everything that's out there. The curb weight of the Vibe GT slides right above my car by 50 pounds. If you look at my signature, that's what I'm running a quarter mile in stock with no mods whatsoever. I figure for another 40 HP, you should be down to the high 14s. If you don't like my suggestion, at least give the car a test drive... you never know if you may like it or not.

GM huh? Toyota motor.....

Wasn't it built in conjunction with Toyota?

No, the vibe is just a rebadged matrix, which is really just a corolla station wagon with the option to get a powerful motor.

AFAIK, GM didn't do any of the drivetrain/chasis design.



 

OS

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: AMDStunna


Wasn't it built in conjunction with Toyota?

The 180 horse motor is pure Toyota, right out of the Celica. I'm pretty sure the base motor is the Corolla motor. Both are pure Toyota designs.


Yeah the base vibe/matrix motors are exactly the same as the corolla motor. 1zz-fe, same engine number/code.

The 180 hp motor was pulled straight out of the celica GT-S. 2zz-ge.

 

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As for the original topic, I'm also in the same boat, except that I want a roomier car.

I'm pretty set on an accord V6 LX coupe these days. Some honda engineer said they make 250 hp on premium. Auto runs 15 flat, 6 spd runs 14.5 for qmile.

Also, there's an interesting article that just came out that saying the RSX puts out 200 WHP with just a CAI and an ECU swap.

 

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I'm pretty set on an accord V6 LX coupe these days. Some honda engineer said they make 250 hp on premium. Auto runs 15 flat, 6 spd runs 14.5 for qmile.
Well Honda recommends Premium for it anyway, so it would be making 240 with the premium I'd think.

 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: OS
As for the original topic, I'm also in the same boat, except that I want a roomier car.

I'm pretty set on an accord V6 LX coupe these days. Some honda engineer said they make 250 hp on premium. Auto runs 15 flat, 6 spd runs 14.5 for qmile.

Also, there's an interesting article that just came out that saying the RSX puts out 200 WHP with just a CAI and an ECU swap.

That's interesting about the premium bit. Where'd ya read that? I guess the premium allows the computer to fiddle with the timing more or something.
 

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: AMDStunna


Wasn't it built in conjunction with Toyota?

The 180 horse motor is pure Toyota, right out of the Celica. I'm pretty sure the base motor is the Corolla motor. Both are pure Toyota designs.


Yeah the base vibe/matrix motors are exactly the same as the corolla motor. 1zz-fe, same engine number/code.

The 180 hp motor was pulled straight out of the celica GT-S. 2zz-ge.

Okay... I stand corrected. I still think it'd be unique to be challenged by a Vibe though.
 

LAUST

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Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: OS
As for the original topic, I'm also in the same boat, except that I want a roomier car.

I'm pretty set on an accord V6 LX coupe these days. Some honda engineer said they make 250 hp on premium. Auto runs 15 flat, 6 spd runs 14.5 for qmile.

Also, there's an interesting article that just came out that saying the RSX puts out 200 WHP with just a CAI and an ECU swap.

That's interesting about the premium bit. Where'd ya read that? I guess the premium allows the computer to fiddle with the timing more or something.
Not sure how honda's system works on their higher tuned cars I only had Civic's.. but I assume most are the same

but in the GM's higher octaine in the high compression engines won't trigger the knock sensor (if the octaine is high enough to prevent ping/detonation) to retard the timing which causes the lower performance, premium just keeps it to it's normal timing advancement.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Looks nice, but 180 HP for $24k? It would get its ass handed to it by a number of other vehicles in the same price range, and for a car that aims to sell itself as a performance product that's not really so impressive :(

It comes well equipped, has interior better than cars $10,000 more than it, and can easily be tuned. A car isn't just the numbers that it produces.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Looks nice, but 180 HP for $24k? It would get its ass handed to it by a number of other vehicles in the same price range, and for a car that aims to sell itself as a performance product that's not really so impressive :(

It comes well equipped, has interior better than cars $10,000 more than it, and can easily be tuned. A car isn't just the numbers that it produces.
Nice brakes

 

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The wheels alone are worth about $1500 bucks. Not too many cars in the mid 20's come with 18's.