So what if Obama is a Muslim?

[fskimospy]

Except the OP was the only one asking the question.

Nice try.

Not sure how that changes anything.

 

[Abwx]

I suggest you read his book his father was a Muslim Communist.

In short a muslim atheist...

 

[stormkroe]

If he were a socialist, that would be a good thing. Sadly, he's not even a liberal.

I'm not sure if this will be a derailment, but I have to ask how you reach this conclusion? The statement that Obama isn't a liberal seems to pop up every couple months, and I very honestly would like to have this explained to me. Do it as if I'm a 6th grader. Not top of my class, but definitely top 10. Also, I'm on the basketball team, my shot isn't that great but my defense and rebounding are fairly impressive.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yeah, the Middle East was a peaceful place before Obama.

Was the "Arab Spring" a positive, or negative? Much has changed since 2008.
Almost as if the fire Bush started in Iraq turned into a contagion for terrorism.

 

[brycejones]

Was the "Arab Spring" a positive, or negative? Much has changed since 2008.
Almost as if the fire Bush started in Iraq turned into a contagion for terrorism.

Repressive authoritarian regimes all eventually fall. In some cases we invested way to much political capital in trying to prop those in the middle east up.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Except the OP was the only one asking the question.

Nice try.

What the OP asked is, 'why would it matter if he was Muslim?', not 'is he a Muslim?'.

 

[finglobes]

Obama isn't a Muslim. As Bill Maher said he's "a drop dead atheist". What Obama is is a psycho chameleon type who adopts superficial veneers - a reason he is so good at seeming "folksy" and "laid back" while he's secretly throwing allies down the hole and helping enemies. Obama is sentimental about Islamic past (when he was a citizen of Indonesia) but its his anti-US/Israel, resentment based psyche that causes him to unite with Muslims and make excuses for ISIS and tell NASA admin that his job is to make Muslims look good. Obama is a mess.

 

[emperus]

Obama isn't a Muslim. As Bill Maher said he's "a drop dead atheist". What Obama is is a psycho chameleon type who adopts superficial veneers - a reason he is so good at seeming "folksy" and "laid back" while he's secretly throwing allies down the hole and helping enemies. Obama is sentimental about Islamic past (when he was a citizen of Indonesia) but its his anti-US/Israel, resentment based psyche that causes him to unite with Muslims and make excuses for ISIS and tell NASA admin that his job is to make Muslims look good. Obama is a mess.

There are a lot of crazy on this board. Let me ask you, what do you think Obama's end goal is?

By the way, why do you believe being staunchly Pro-Israel is being Pro-American?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Except the OP was the only one asking the question.

Nice try.

That's a false equivalence.

The OP is positing that the question doesn't matter, but that news organizations like Fox and Drudge as the question under the guise of "Were not making any claims, just asking the question" under the pretext of being unbiased.

 

[finglobes]

"There are a lot of crazy on this board. Let me ask you, what do you think Obama's end goal is?

By the way, why do you believe being staunchly Pro-Israel is being Pro-American?"


Obama has always had an identity issue. He had an old girlfriend who told how Obama didn't know who he was. He's the perfect type to function from indoctrination - which he's had lots of. I see Obama as a robot - a terminator of sorts. He's programmed to cause problems. His ideology is a mix of Gramsci, Marx, Mao and others. Neo-Marxists are cultural Marxists who seek to use an alliance of marginalized groups to militate against the core. That's what you see today with political correctness. Defame anyone/anything traditional and elevate the contrary. "Normal" is disordered - disordered is normal. Now you see even men's and women's bathrooms is "gender oppression".

Israel doesn't dress babies up as suicide bombers. They don't throw away nationhood to remain committed to annihilating another. They don't beat, shoot, torture and imprison there own like Iran did in Green revolt. Israel is the normal country in that region. Only a kook could support the Iran regime like Obama does (in secret mind you)

 

[emperus]

"There are a lot of crazy on this board. Let me ask you, what do you think Obama's end goal is?

By the way, why do you believe being staunchly Pro-Israel is being Pro-American?"


Obama has always had an identity issue. He had an old girlfriend who told how Obama didn't know who he was. He's the perfect type to function from indoctrination - which he's had lots of. I see Obama as a robot - a terminator of sorts. He's programmed to cause problems. His ideology is a mix of Gramsci, Marx, Mao and others. Neo-Marxists are cultural Marxists who seek to use an alliance of marginalized groups to militate against the core. That's what you see today with political correctness. Defame anyone/anything traditional and elevate the contrary. "Normal" is disordered - disordered is normal. Now you see even men's and women's bathrooms is "gender oppression".

Israel doesn't dress babies up as suicide bombers. They don't throw away nationhood to remain committed to annihilating another. They don't beat, shoot, torture and imprison there own like Iran did in Green revolt. Israel is the normal country in that region. Only a kook could support the Iran regime like Obama does (in secret mind you)

I asked two very simple questions that should flow from your earlier post and you didn't answer any either of them. How convenient. You should try to figure them out and maybe then you would understand how crazy you sound.

The easy answer is that Obama probably has more information than we do and sees Israel's intransigence in settling the dispute with the Palestinians as an obstacle to world peace. I also think he sees a time when there potentially could be another wide ranging religious war between Muslims and Jews and by default Christians and is doing everything in his power to not put it the terms of a dispute with Muslims (something the right in this country for whatever crazy reason, seem not to care about).

I always ask Republicans what the alternatives to Obama proposals should be and I usually get blank stares and some rambling response like yours or some answer that involves bombs and war. Like Mccain, (bomb, bomb Iran). It's amazing to me the lack of forethought involved in those policy suggestion. I'm sorry, I rather not see my country or my kids fighting wars in the Middle East for the next decade and if that means reaching out to the Muslim community to not radicalize it. I'm ok with that. As the alternatives are frightening.

 

[IronWing]

I'm not sure if this will be a derailment, but I have to ask how you reach this conclusion? The statement that Obama isn't a liberal seems to pop up every couple months, and I very honestly would like to have this explained to me. Do it as if I'm a 6th grader. Not top of my class, but definitely top 10. Also, I'm on the basketball team, my shot isn't that great but my defense and rebounding are fairly impressive.

Obama, while at times speaking like a liberal, has for the most part pursued a very conservative agenda. His signature legislative acheivements, the stimulus and health care payment "reform", are both deeply conservtive policies. Two thirds of the price tag of the stimulus package was in the form of tax cuts, not new spending. In the face of the worst economic crisis since the great depression this was a rather anemic response, not at all in keeping with liberal thought.

The ACA is legislation straight out of the Heritage Foundation. Even minor liberal tweaks to the Heritage Foundation approach were squashed (no public option).

In trade policy Obama has been a strong supporter of free trade to the detriment of the American worker. Liberals recognize that protectionism works.

On issues where Obama has taken a more liberal stance such as gay marriage and environment, he had not shown any leadership, rather letting the courts move the issues.

 

[finglobes]

"The easy answer is that Obama probably has more information than we do and sees Israel's intransigence in settling the dispute with the Palestinians as an obstacle to world peace."

Baloney - Obama is creating a nuke arms race in ME. He worked in secret to depose Mubarak and insanely put Muslim Brothers (who declared war on America several months before "Arab Spring") in charge. He told Russia he wouldn't bomb Libya and then he did - and created another Somalia. Then he helped destabilize Syria and worked with Turkey and Saudis to send weapons to Syria where ISIS got them (and weapons of Libya left in collapse) . Then Obama backstabbed Saudi Arabia by helping Iran and then Saudis were outraged and made China their ally while escalating desire for nukes - a desire also increased in Pakistan. Throwing Israel to wolves (as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers would do) also dramatically increases change Israel will turn ME to glass. Obama is a retard for the ages

 

[thraashman]

"The easy answer is that Obama probably has more information than we do and sees Israel's intransigence in settling the dispute with the Palestinians as an obstacle to world peace."

Baloney - Obama is creating a nuke arms race in ME. He worked in secret to depose Mubarak and insanely put Muslim Brothers (who declared war on America several months before "Arab Spring") in charge. He told Russia he wouldn't bomb Libya and then he did - and created another Somalia. Then he helped destabilize Syria and worked with Turkey and Saudis to send weapons to Syria where ISIS got them (and weapons of Libya left in collapse) . Then Obama backstabbed Saudi Arabia by helping Iran and then Saudis were outraged and made China their ally while escalating desire for nukes - a desire also increased in Pakistan. Throwing Israel to wolves (as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers would do) also dramatically increases change Israel will turn ME to glass. Obama is a retard for the ages

This is why people shouldn't let their kids eat paint chips.

 

[IronWing]

"The easy answer is that Obama probably has more information than we do and sees Israel's intransigence in settling the dispute with the Palestinians as an obstacle to world peace."

Baloney - Obama is creating a nuke arms race in ME. He worked in secret to depose Mubarak and insanely put Muslim Brothers (who declared war on America several months before "Arab Spring") in charge. He told Russia he wouldn't bomb Libya and then he did - and created another Somalia. Then he helped destabilize Syria and worked with Turkey and Saudis to send weapons to Syria where ISIS got them (and weapons of Libya left in collapse) . Then Obama backstabbed Saudi Arabia by helping Iran and then Saudis were outraged and made China their ally while escalating desire for nukes - a desire also increased in Pakistan. Throwing Israel to wolves (as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers would do) also dramatically increases change Israel will turn ME to glass. Obama is a retard for the ages

Obama has continued long standing American policy to make the world safe for the House of Saud. Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iran, where ever a rival might arise, America is there to lay down the lives of our troops to defend the Sauds.

 

[cKGunslinger]

"The easy answer is that Obama probably has more information than we do and sees Israel's intransigence in settling the dispute with the Palestinians as an obstacle to world peace."

Baloney - Obama is creating a nuke arms race in ME. He worked in secret to depose Mubarak and insanely put Muslim Brothers (who declared war on America several months before "Arab Spring") in charge. He told Russia he wouldn't bomb Libya and then he did - and created another Somalia. Then he helped destabilize Syria and worked with Turkey and Saudis to send weapons to Syria where ISIS got them (and weapons of Libya left in collapse) . Then Obama backstabbed Saudi Arabia by helping Iran and then Saudis were outraged and made China their ally while escalating desire for nukes - a desire also increased in Pakistan. Throwing Israel to wolves (as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers would do) also dramatically increases change Israel will turn ME to glass. Obama is a retard for the ages

I don't know if pharmaceuticals are the answer to - or cause of - your issues.

 

[boomerang]

I'm sorry, I rather not see my country or my kids fighting wars in the Middle East for the next decade and if that means reaching out to the Muslim community to not radicalize it. I'm ok with that. As the alternatives are frightening.

How much time should we give it? Do we measure it by the number of heads cut off, the number of people immolated, the number of children buried alive? How many times must Obama give the one finger shahada before it all settles down? How do we know if the apologies and job fairs are a success?

Your kids wouldn't be fighting wars in the ME if weenies like yourself and our JV team running the government would let our military fight in the manner they've been trained to do. But you insist on binding their hands, feet and minds such that they cannot operate in an efficient manner. The problem is you and the day will come when people like yourself and those that share your mindset will have to be ignored.

 

[IronWing]

How much time should we give it? Do we measure it by the number of heads cut off, the number of people immolated, the number of children buried alive? How many times must Obama give the one finger shahada before it all settles down? How do we know if the apologies and job fairs are a success?

Your kids wouldn't be fighting wars in the ME if weenies like yourself and our JV team running the government would let our military fight in the manner they've been trained to do. But you insist on binding their hands, feet and minds such that they cannot operate in an efficient manner. The problem is you and the day will come when people like yourself and those that share your mindset will have to be ignored.

Nobody's kids would be fighting in the ME if loser conservatives didn't keep clammoring for war and more war and when that doesn't work then even more war. You disgust me.

 

[emperus]

How much time should we give it? Do we measure it by the number of heads cut off, the number of people immolated, the number of children buried alive? How many times must Obama give the one finger shahada before it all settles down? How do we know if the apologies and job fairs are a success?

Your kids wouldn't be fighting wars in the ME if weenies like yourself and our JV team running the government would let our military fight in the manner they've been trained to do. But you insist on binding their hands, feet and minds such that they cannot operate in an efficient manner. The problem is you and the day will come when people like yourself and those that share your mindset will have to be ignored.

So, let me ask you. What should Obama be doing?

 

[IGBT]

well if that's true then he's a liar..again.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Some Day I will run for president on the Asshole party. The Asshole party will be pro-public drunkenness and anti-abolitionist. We will enforce a policy of free public toilets in every city.

 

[Black Octagon]

Some Day I will run for president on the Asshole party. The Asshole party will be pro-public drunkenness and anti-abolitionist. We will enforce a policy of free public toilets in every city.

Then there will be a long and hateful ATOT thread asking "what if he was secretly a nice guy? would you care?"

 

[BurnItDwn]

Then there will be a long and hateful ATOT thread asking "what if he was secretly a nice guy? would you care?"

I would expect no less from the people of ATOT. Bunch of Crabasses.

I believe the official medical term is "Early Onset Grump"
(That was the best/funniest sketch I have seen on Portlandia BTW. Usually the show is dumb, but Oscar the Grouch made it epic.)

 

[HomerJS]

So, let me ask you. What should Obama be doing?

Let me predict the answer if you get one...

Talk around it by saying "we need to do more then Obama", but not say what. This is what you hear from most of the GOP

or

Full scale ground war in multiple Middle Eastern countries. Most likely disaster for many years. Were we not paying attention from 2002-2008?

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama has continued long standing American policy to make the world safe for the House of Saud. Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iran, where ever a rival might arise, America is there to lay down the lives of our troops to defend the Sauds.

How does turning them into leaderless terrorist cesspits make anyone safe?