So... What if China's Wuhan Institute of Virology did leak covid-19?

[Lanyap]

Your "horse dewormer" has been approved for use in humans by the FDA since 1987 for certain parasitic infections. Fairly certain that horse dewormers are not approved for use in humans.

FTFY

 

[Meghan54]

Equine dewormer, human dewormer. Ivermectin is used as both…

“Ivermectin is an anthelmintic. It works by interfering with the nerve and muscle functions of worms, by paralyzing and killing them.”

Ivermectin (Oral Route) Description and Brand Names - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

That’s what the drug does, human or horse. Humans get tablets, horses get paste. Dose based on weight, typically, in either use case.

The problems with trying to use the equine paste on humans are: the paste tends to be very much concentrated because horses can weigh a literal ton, while most humans are a bit smaller, so easier to inadvertently OD on the stuff; the drug is actually only a small percentage of the total paste volume and all that “inert” stuff has NOT generally been tested for human safety/allergies…they do happen.

Just very easy to overdose on the paste and I’ve heard the taste sucks, too. That’s why the paste is usually “injected” down the horse’s throat. Special delivery system specifically for oral dosing of large animals like horses.

 

[Pens1566]

Equine dewormer, human dewormer. Ivermectin is used as both…

“Ivermectin is an anthelmintic. It works by interfering with the nerve and muscle functions of worms, by paralyzing and killing them.”

Ivermectin (Oral Route) Description and Brand Names - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

That’s what the drug does, human or horse. Humans get tablets, horses get paste. Dose based on weight, typically, in either use case.

The problems with trying to use the equine paste on humans are: the paste tends to be very much concentrated because horses can weigh a literal ton, while most humans are a bit smaller, so easier to inadvertently OD on the stuff; the drug is actually only a small percentage of the total paste volume and all that “inert” stuff has NOT generally been tested for human safety/allergies…they do happen.

Just very easy to overdose on the paste and I’ve heard the taste sucks, too. That’s why the paste is usually “injected” down the horse’s throat. Special delivery system specifically for oral dosing of large animals like horses.

Jokes on you, they're taking it anally. Check mate llbtard ...

 

[cytg111]

I dont know, if it kills brain worms then maybe they’re onto something…

 

[Roger Wilco]

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A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. It’s some of the strongest support yet, experts told me, that the pandemic began when SARS-CoV-2 hopped from animals into humans, rather than in an accident among scientists experimenting with viruses.

“This really strengthens the case for a natural origin,” says Seema Lakdawala, a virologist at Emory who wasn’t involved in the research. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist involved in the research, told me, “This is a really strong indication that animals at the market were infected. There’s really no other explanation that makes any sense.”

The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic

A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic’s origin to raccoon dogs.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[darkswordsman17]

Jokes on you, they're taking it anally. Check mate llbtard ...

Don't forget they also were drinking piss.

 

[darkswordsman17]

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A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. It’s some of the strongest support yet, experts told me, that the pandemic began when SARS-CoV-2 hopped from animals into humans, rather than in an accident among scientists experimenting with viruses.

“This really strengthens the case for a natural origin,” says Seema Lakdawala, a virologist at Emory who wasn’t involved in the research. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist involved in the research, told me, “This is a really strong indication that animals at the market were infected. There’s really no other explanation that makes any sense.”

The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic

A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic’s origin to raccoon dogs.

www.theatlantic.com

Wonder if the DOE will say anything about this?

 

[Pohemi]

Was going to post the same info but from the NYT (archived to bypass paywall)

https://archive.is/O8ofK

 

[Paratus]

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A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. It’s some of the strongest support yet, experts told me, that the pandemic began when SARS-CoV-2 hopped from animals into humans, rather than in an accident among scientists experimenting with viruses.

“This really strengthens the case for a natural origin,” says Seema Lakdawala, a virologist at Emory who wasn’t involved in the research. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist involved in the research, told me, “This is a really strong indication that animals at the market were infected. There’s really no other explanation that makes any sense.”

The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic

A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic’s origin to raccoon dogs.

www.theatlantic.com

ARS has a story on this too. It really looks like the preponderance of evidence is on multiple cross species jumping from their natural reservoir to raccoon dogs (or other) to a small number of infected people in the wet markets.

Here’s the full analysis of newly uncovered genetic data on COVID’s origins

The genetic data paints a picture of spillover in one zone of the market.

arstechnica.com

 

[UNCjigga]

ARS has a story on this too. It really looks like the preponderance of evidence is on multiple cross species jumping from their natural reservoir to raccoon dogs (or other) to a small number of infected people in the wet markets.

Here’s the full analysis of newly uncovered genetic data on COVID’s origins

The genetic data paints a picture of spillover in one zone of the market.

arstechnica.com

There will always be naysayers who insist it came from the virology lab, especially because China posted this raccoon dog data and then immediately took it down as soon as it was downloaded. So is the state trying to obfuscate the virus origins with manipulated data, or are they trying to hide the fact it came from wet markets (something they’ve been warned about numerous times)?? You never can tell. I doubt this will ever be settled for conspiracy theorists.

 

[Paratus]

There will always be naysayers who insist it came from the virology lab, especially because China posted this raccoon dog data and then immediately took it down as soon as it was downloaded. So is the state trying to obfuscate the virus origins with manipulated data, or are they trying to hide the fact it came from wet markets (something they’ve been warned about numerous times)?? You never can tell. I doubt this will ever be settled for conspiracy theorists.

For conspiracy theorists? Nope never settled.

For me I think this pretty well settles it. Quite frankly there was never much difference between species jumping in the wet market and accidental infection at the lab of an unaltered natural COVID.

The only blockbuster finding would have been if COVID had been genetically manipulated by people and then released.

None of the analyses ever suggested there was a reasonable chance of that.

 

[Zorba]

Wonder if the DOE will say anything about this?

DOE report: Front page of every new site, talked about everywhere for at least a week.

This report: A story on Ars and a few other places.

 

[Pens1566]

DOE report: Front page of every new site, talked about everywhere for at least a week.

This report: A story on Ars and a few other places.

Also the Cochrane clarification on the widely cited "masks don't work" study that actually showed "masks work when you fucking use them, you moron".

 

[crashtech]

From The Times UK:

What really went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted

Paywalled, but at the risk of infringing (lets call it an enticement to subscribe) I will include a couple quotes:

"Scientists in Wuhan working alongside the Chinese military were combining the world’s most deadly coronaviruses to create a new mutant virus just as the pandemic began..."

"...They (US investigators) believe this led to the creation of the Covid-19 virus, and that it leaked into the city of Wuhan after a laboratory accident. “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic,” one of the investigators said..."

I have never understood the powerful resistance to at least entertaining what has seemed a very plausible explanation ever since the existence of the lab became public knowledge. Even now the US mainstream media seems to be studiously avoiding covering this story. Luckily the UK seems to be getting over this curious aversion.

 

[fskimospy]

From The Times UK:

What really went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted

Paywalled, but at the risk of infringing (lets call it an enticement to subscribe) I will include a couple quotes:

I have never understood the powerful resistance to at least entertaining what has seemed a very plausible explanation ever since the existence of the lab became public knowledge. Even now the US mainstream media seems to be studiously avoiding covering this story. Luckily the UK seems to be getting over this curious aversion.

It’s weird that people say ‘you can’t talk about the lab leak theory!’ when it’s discussed frequently in US media.

There have been numerous investigations into this and the overwhelming conclusions have been ‘we don’t know.’ Maybe this article has the results of a new and more thorough investigation but I tend to doubt it.

 

[Drach]

non pay walled link.

https://archive.vn/x4J9H

 

[crashtech]

It’s weird that people say ‘you can’t talk about the lab leak theory!’ when it’s discussed frequently in US media.

There have been numerous investigations into this and the overwhelming conclusions have been ‘we don’t know.’ Maybe this article has the results of a new and more thorough investigation but I tend to doubt it.

I didn't say that, but it's par for the course here for dissenters to be mischaracterized. Feel free to post this breaking story as covered by your favorite mainstream outlet, that would be a decent refutation of what I said.

 

[ondma]

I didn't say that, but it's par for the course here for dissenters to be mischaracterized. Feel free to post this breaking story as covered by your favorite mainstream outlet, that would be a decent refutation of what I said.

Maybe the "mainstream outlets" arent covering it because it is a clickbait article without credible sources???

 

[UNCjigga]

It’s hard to really know what happened. What we do know is that the Chinese government was very reluctant to cooperate with any sort of contact tracing/patient zero investigations, but were willing to provide the complete RNA sequencing to help jumpstart research and international vaccine development.

But—there’s no telling if the Chinese government would have been more cooperative even if it wasn’t a lab leak.

Let’s say it was a weaponized coronavirus leak—then how should the world hold China accountable??

 

[pmv]

Maybe the "mainstream outlets" arent covering it because it is a clickbait article without credible sources???

To be fair, The Sunday Times, despite being a Murdoch publication, _is_ a "mainstream outlet". The paper traditionally has a good reputation for investigative journalism, which Murdoch's ownership has not entirely eradicated. It's not the New York Post or The Sun.''

Still think the verdict has to be "it's possible, but we don't know and maybe never will".

 

[compcons]

you forgot to mention Faucchi. That's really the connection they were going after.

 

[Muse]

Looks like a bear, smells like a bear, runs like a bear, leaves bear tracks. Who knows, could be a bear. We will never know for sure.

 

[crashtech]

Thanks to @Drach to posting a link to the whole article, I wasn't clear on the policy re copyright infringement. It wouldn't kill anyone to actually read it. See you next time.

 

[cytg111]

Read it... only real addition is Chinese military and covert, and its lacking in sourcing big time. So we're not really wiser compared to last time we had this talk... which @crashtech obviously wasnt part of since he thinks this is breaking news or something.

 

[crashtech]

Read it... only real addition is Chinese military and covert, and its lacking in sourcing big time. So we're not really wiser compared to last time we had this talk... which @crashtech obviously wasnt part of since he thinks this is breaking news or something.

I found the subheading credible:

Fresh evidence drawn from confidential files reveals Chinese scientists spliced together deadly pathogens shortly before the pandemic, the Sunday Times Insight team report

Also this:

However, our new investigation paints the clearest picture yet of what happened in the Wuhan laboratory.

They think it's something new, and I don't have a good reason to disbelieve them.