So What Happens *If* Obama Wasn't Born In The United States?

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Fern

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Mr Obama's mother was a citizen of the US which makes him an US citizen no matter where he was born. Funny how this question was not brought about Mr McCain who was not born in the US.

What question?

If you're referring to whether he was qualified to run as a natural born citizen then absolutely the question was raised. It was even discussed in the US Senate etc.

Despite many comments to the contrary, others have been questioned. Aside from McCain, Goldwater's qualification was also questioned (he was born in a US terrority that became a state only later).

Fern
 

werepossum

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What question?

If you're referring to whether he was qualified to run as a natural born citizen then absolutely the question was raised. It was even discussed in the US Senate etc.

Despite many comments to the contrary, others have been questioned. Aside from McCain, Goldwater's qualification was also questioned (he was born in a US terrority that became a state only later).

Fern
No matter how often these things are noted, the left seems to default to believing this is unique to Obama.
 

Axon

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What question?

If you're referring to whether he was qualified to run as a natural born citizen then absolutely the question was raised. It was even discussed in the US Senate etc.

Despite many comments to the contrary, others have been questioned. Aside from McCain, Goldwater's qualification was also questioned (he was born in a US terrority that became a state only later).

Fern

Exactly. And it was determined by a unanimous, but ultimately non-binding senate resolution, that he is indeed a "natural born citizen." The bottom line is that, as a legal matter, the term "natural born citizen" has never been defined, and the Constitution is silent on that matter.

There's been some question as to whether McCain was actually born in a US Base, blah blah blah, but it's just as ridiculous as the controversy surrounding Obama. Unlike McCain, Congress saw no reason, based on the information it received, to raise this issue regarding Obama. If there was legitimate evidence behind Obama being born outside of the United States, it would have already been raised by his opponents. I know from experience that an incredible amount of posturing goes on behind closed doors down at our capital.

Instead, tinfoil hat people are grasping at straws about the wording used by the Chief Medical Officer of Haiwaii when he gave his statement saying he had seen Obama's birth certificate and it was valid, etc etc. It's all part of the dance. Obama is smart to just ignore it. Hell, you can see a falsified Kenyan birth certificate online if you like.

Ironically, Obama has sponsored legislation making it clear that any individual born to a citizen in a US Military base while on military duty is a natural born citizen.
 

PingSpike

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Oh no! If Obama wasn't born in the United States he might be replaced with another politician that is exactly like him and continues doing exactly the same things as the last guy, just like after the 2008 Presidential elections!
 

jonks

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No matter how often these things are noted, the left seems to default to believing this is unique to Obama.

Hey, I resent that! I have little doubt that if McCain had won we'd be here discussing his birth circumstances. The slight difference is that we'd be arguing the legalities of McCain's natural born citizen status and not the conspiracy/location of his birth. FWIW, Ted Olson and Lawrence Tribe think he would be an NBC, and I would bow to their collective wisdom on the matter.
 

dali71

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Ah, I remember you -- the lurker who popped in out of nowhere with a total hard-on for me.

While I'm fine basking in the center of your sexual spotlight, and realize that you're going to fantasize about me bending you over and giving it to you long and hard, don't expect to actually be able to catch my eye. I just don't swing that way. And I don't mean in a Republican, "Homosexuality is an affront to God but I'm gonna blow dudes in public bathrooms anyway," kind of way. I'm just not attracted to men.

Sorry.

Don't project your sick fantasies onto me. You're a smug piece of shit, and most people here know it. It's clear that you have suffered repeated rejection from women, which has led to your warped views on how they should be treated, and also led to your obsession with a certain fictional woman. Get some professional help before it's too late.
 

Jhhnn

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Again, I ask, is asking a question = giving creditibility? Or would it be better to just blindly accept those that say it is so (like you appear to do)? Fuck man in this same thread I asked and answered my own question, and didnt beat around the bush in doing so. I am more than willing to admit when I may be wrong, and have done so. Clearly most people, to those who have at least average comprehension, understand this.

If you dont have the intelligence to understand my "pretty much" comment, you really are nothing but a stupid, ignorant, partisan hack who clearly dismisses anything the opposing side might have to say. Youre no better than a redneck in that regard. And no better than some birthers.

Touche ya partisan fuck. 404 credibility not found.

Let me paraphrase-

Wah! Wahhh! UH-WAAAHHH!

Pretty Much, huh?

I'm sorry sir, but there's a waiting list for Wahmbulances, so you'll just need to take a number, wait your turn.

Obviously, that $1000 won't be forthcoming, and was merely braggadocio on your part.
 

blackangst1

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Let me paraphrase-



Pretty Much, huh?

I'm sorry sir, but there's a waiting list for Wahmbulances, so you'll just need to take a number, wait your turn.

Obviously, that $1000 won't be forthcoming, and was merely braggadocio on your part.

WTF are claiming Im crying about anyway? :confused:
 

trenchfoot

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The vetting process works, and has been working for a long long time. The only difference as far as Obama is concerned, is that there isn't much else to hang on him as a person, father and husband. So off we go to TeaBagger/Swiftboat fantasy land to brew something up to demonize Obama with.

However, it sure has been a whole lot of fun reading, listening and watching the repub politicians suck up to their far right base with their "absolute proven beyond doubt rumors" that Obama is a mongrel Kenyan muslim communist nation-destroying socialist.
 

DominionSeraph

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Don't project your sick fantasies onto me.

It is you who has the interest in me, not vice versa. I merely comment on the observation of your interest. If you go back to lurking you will have no existence to me.
Your hard-on for me does not make your underlying psychology of interest to me. It is almost certainly some boring ego thing. It doesn't even look like you're shielding the fact.

You're a smug piece of shit, and most people here know it.

Your point being...?


There are certain things that I have a great aptitude for. It's something I've gotten used to. But I am not here to dazzle you or anyone else. The simple fact is that the evidence points to the conclusion that few here are set up to even begin to test me. I am not going to go through the bother of teaching you the basics of critical thinking just so you can tell me something I already know. I'm ok with you being lost.

Now, you are apparently playing a game of king of the mountain. Do you understand that a game that is beneath me cannot beat me?
If you wish to challenge my hidden skills, present some skills of your own. But it'd better be good. If these are news to you, don't even bother, because I won't. I am not here to change diapers.

It's clear

...that you need a better imagination, if that's the best you can come up with!
Does your mindscape have so little room that you have no choice but to cram together anime and trolling in some unholy mess?
Try using some spacers.
 
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Siddhartha

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What question?

If you're referring to whether he was qualified to run as a natural born citizen then absolutely the question was raised. It was even discussed in the US Senate etc.

Despite many comments to the contrary, others have been questioned. Aside from McCain, Goldwater's qualification was also questioned (he was born in a US terrority that became a state only later).

Fern

I was referring to this forum. How many Birther threads have been posted forum?
 

Fern

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I was referring to this forum. How many Birther threads have been posted forum?

Below is your original post:

Originally Posted by Siddhartha
Mr Obama's mother was a citizen of the US which makes him an US citizen no matter where he was born. Funny how this question was not brought about Mr McCain who was not born in the US.

I'm not sure I understand. But:

1. If about McCain "birther" threads. IIRC, we had some. But there's not much to discuss. AFAIK, nobody doubts where he was born etc. IIRC, we've had some discussion as to whether he qualifies, but IMO nobody really knows since the SCOTUS hasn't made any ruling (to my knowlege anyway) that would be on point. Otherwise, since he's not President I doubt many care, I certainly don't. Now if he were President, I would be interested to see SCOTUS take the case etc.

2. If about Obama birther threads. Too numerous to list IMO. You've got the anti-birther crowd posting every poll that comes out showing how many doubt Obama is a citizen (or whatever) and crowing about the idiots. Then we've had more every time someone brings it to the fore, like the new Hawaiian governor did, or D. Trump. Then it seems to pop up when a state introduces a bill to verify qualifications.

IMO, it's going to keep coming up until he shows his long form.

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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IMO, it's going to keep coming up until he shows his long form.

Heh. It'll keep coming up no matter what, because Birthers are Conspiracy Theorists. Facts are immaterial, because they believe, and therefore simply can't be satisfied. Somebody like Trump will always be there to exploit that faith
 

Fern

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If he shows his long form, and once it's verified as a true copy, there simply won't be much more to talk about. As it stands now it's frequently on news broadcasts, even Lefties like Chris Matthews have wondered publicly why Obama doesn't just produce it.

Once it's shown there simply won't be much more to talk about on the mainstream news programs (other than perhaps polls showing some % still doesn't believe). I think any continuing talk will be confined to conspiracy type spam emails and birther sites like wnd.

Edit: It would also take the Trumps out of the picture.

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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If he shows his long form, and once it's verified as a true copy, there simply won't be much more to talk about. As it stands now it's frequently on news broadcasts, even Lefties like Chris Matthews have wondered publicly why Obama doesn't just produce it.

Once it's shown there simply won't be much more to talk about on the mainstream news programs (other than perhaps polls showing some % still doesn't believe). I think any continuing talk will be confined to conspiracy type spam emails and birther sites like wnd.

Edit: It would also take the Trumps out of the picture.

Fern

Heh. I think it's a shrewd political move on Obama's part, just the way it is. Birthers will never vote for him, no matter what, and are widely regarded as Mow-rons even by relatively conservative leaning people. Want to turn off independents and centrists? Pander to the Birther base. Go ahead- it's like pandering to Roswell conspiracy theorists and bigfoot believers.
 

alkemyst

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Obama in my opinion is the wild card President. They can spin him anyway they need him.

When a female president finally gets elected she may suffer the same fate.

Most of the blame would be undeserved in both counts.
 

CallMeJoe

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If he shows his long form, and once it's verified as a true copy, there simply won't be much more to talk about...
President Obama could produce a film of Ann Durham in labor with his head cresting the birth canal and the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial in the background, and World Net Daily would lead with a story claiming that the date code on the film was wrong and proves it's a forgery.

Nothing is ever going to be enough to satisfy the Birthers.
 

dawp

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I don't think anyone would be excited about a Biden presidency.

Here is my list, in order, of presidents that would scare the shit out of me:

1. Sarah Palin

2. Joe Biden

3. Donald Trump

4. A retarded elephant

so you saying any republican would make a lousy president?
:thumbsup:
 

jackstar7

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President Obama could produce a film of Ann Durham in labor with his head cresting the birth canal and the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial in the background, and World Net Daily would lead with a story claiming that the date code on the film was wrong and proves it's a forgery.

Nothing is ever going to be enough to satisfy the Birthers.

Exactly why they shouldn't be capitulated to, and why all they deserve is a healthy helping of "Go fuck yourselves."
 

Carmen813

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No matter how often these things are noted, the left seems to default to believing this is unique to Obama.

It's more about the fact that even if McCain had won and some on the left believed he wasn't a citizen, it would gain no where near the traction that it has with the right. I certainly doubt we'd have presidential candidates commenting on it.
 

manimal

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this thread needs to be moved to OT. Its not news and its not politics....its farce and fabrication..